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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

up date:

Had to change the lining for the top to kerf rather than solid due to a complication, so I ordered port afford cedar for the job.

Some of this pre/cut and shaping from LMII seems to make a lot of sense the older I get. It's kind of like having an apprentice do some of the work for me. Sure seems to save quite a bit of wear and tear on my cutting equipment.

Still working on it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 30 2021 16:31:22
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

This is just to stimulate a little chat on the list.

I recently talked with Allied Luthrie about making a neck for the Reyes style, to as exact as possible, for all builders. We'll see how this goes: (A long time coming if it can be done.) Bridges are no longer a problem, as they are already done for the market. Adam says his CNC guy can copy just about any bridge style you want.

A seasoned builder is coming by tomorrow to get started with a Miguel Rodriguez style guitar, off the plan I drew for the GAL. He has pretty much nailed the Reyes plan, producing a very nice credible/saleable instrument.

I'm progressing on my Conde build, a little each day, working to glue on the top in a few days.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2021 22:25:59
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Well, it turns out that the cold spell we had has dulled the time frame a little, so I'm working behind again.

So far the guitar is holding its shape and everything seems to be waiting for my hands to get started again.

The top is going to need some adjustments on its bracing before I install it on the sides. I'm going to trim the fan bracing down a little more and shave the horizontal cross bars a little more, to get what I call, a little more sustain in the treble end.

If the bars are too beefed up on the edges, then it can cause a little glassy sound on this particular pattern.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2021 21:15:31
 
ernandez R

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear


If the bars are too beefed up on the edges, then it can cause a little glassy sound on this particular pattern.


Tom, care to expand on this a little more? By too glassy do your u mean less grawly?

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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to ernandez R

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Tom, care to expand on this a little more? By too glassy do your u mean less grawly?



I have found that it causes a certain sensation of hardness to some top patterns; where re-leaving the edges brings more warmth to the tone.........more musical results.

I've built some Santos patterns that were hard on the edges but this compensated for their lack of projection/volume, even though they spoke in other ways to present their tone. Different patterns need certain shapes

If you look at the present Conde flamenco V you will see the cross bars to improve the tone were cut lower, to where the two center fan braces are higher to stiffen its projection, with the other lower fans to sweeten it.

I don't know who got to this style first, Conde or Gerandino.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 1 2021 2:38:05
 
Echi

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

The pattern is Esteso’s and it’s the main pattern used by the Conde in their concert guitars in the seventies and eighties. They also used a 5 + 2 struts pattern (the 5 bars being parallel) inspired to Barbero.

I second Tom’s observation.
I recently shaved a little the 2 outside struts of a classical guitar (in axis with the bridge) with a similar bracing pattern to make it sound more flamenco and I noticed the same. Nothing immoral here: it’s a guitar I made for my son years ago.
Trebles and separation got little improvement also.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 1 2021 8:31:10
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Echi

quote:

I second Tom’s observation.
I recently shaved a little the 2 outside struts of a classical guitar (in axis with the bridge) with a similar bracing pattern to make it sound more flamenco and I noticed the same.


Which brings us back around to the idea that there are many ways to fine tune guitars.

What I like about my technique is that I can understand it by a layman's term without being a physics professor. I can feel things happening in the wood by making small adjustments with fine sandpaper rubbed on a fan brace.

Naturally, this is not for everyone but a chosen few who want to investigate sound generation in a different way.

Has this technique been done before? The answer is yes, it has been employed by master builders in Spain for generations, but due to much factory involvement over the years, many of these older techniques have been lost due to time saving devices to improve a greater out-put.

There is now a force of sorts to create a design to be the end all for total sound generation without a tweaking process. Some of this certainly comes from the halls of higher academia, but is it necessary to construct a great guitar.

The answer should be yes and no, since there are people who want to know the en er-movement of guitars as well as those who just want to feel its response to a plucked string, or a thunderous rasgeado.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 2 2021 17:27:24
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Well Folks,

It appears that I'm out of business, with the possibility that I may or may not finish this current project.

Too many hospital visits and physical set backs to continue to build guitars.

My over all number of guitars built is about 330 instruments over a period of 58 years.

The guitars have enjoyed some collectable status for the past 25-30 years.

Some prices are reflected from early instruments at 3,500 to 50,000 over the years.

Thanks for the memories,

Tom Blackshear, guitar maker

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 11 2021 22:22:36
 
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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Take care, Tom, and stay in touch, if you’re so inclined.
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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Very sorry to hear about your health issues, Tom. I'll be pulling for you and hope things improve. Regardless, you have made your mark as a luthier. Keep in touch as the opportunity permits.

Bill

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear

Well Folks,

It appears that I'm out of business, with the possibility that I may or may not finish this current project.

Too many hospital visits and physical set backs to continue to build guitars.

My over all number of guitars built is about 330 instruments over a period of 58 years.

The guitars have enjoyed some collectable status for the past 25-30 years.

Some prices are reflected from early instruments at 3,500 to 50,000 over the years.

Thanks for the memories,

Tom Blackshear, guitar maker


Bummer. Well I for one have enjoyed your videos on progressive models over the years and was lucky to play a couple, and including the Pedro de Miguel you fine tuned to good results. Take care sir.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2021 15:31:44
 
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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Sorry to hear that Tom. As I age, I know the feeling of not being to do what I love some days. I hope you will find some strength to enjoy yourself again, but slowly.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2021 16:30:07
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Escribano

Thanks guys and I will definitely try to stay in touch, as fair weather permits.

It's always difficult to just fade away

But I have had so many wonderful attachments to this list that it makes sense to hang around.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2021 21:21:08
 
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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Jeez, Tom, I wish you well. Maybe you'll feel stronger again and be back at it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2021 3:13:37
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Thank you but what I look forward to now is watching you guys progress to a higher level in the art than has ever been achieved before.

This will all happen if this list openly shares their wisdom freely. When all our little mistakes come together in a finished product, then a miracle happens.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2021 19:26:33
 
ernandez R

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Wow Tom, wish this damn coved didn't have us locked down, I would have my ass down there ASAP and help you wrap up that guitar and get you going on a couple more.

I hope you understand that your legacy of over 300 guitars will forever live, no one can take that from you or the gift of knowing a few generations to come and more will make music on bits of wood and glue you scraped and shaped into harmony with your human hands. Olé Sr. Blackshear, Olé!

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear

up date:

Had to change the lining for the top to kerf rather than solid due to a complication, so I ordered port afford cedar for the job.

Some of this pre/cut and shaping from LMII seems to make a lot of sense the older I get. It's kind of like having an apprentice do some of the work for me. Sure seems to save quite a bit of wear and tear on my cutting equipment.

Still working on it.


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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2021 21:52:21
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to ernandez R

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I hope you understand that your legacy of over 300 guitars will forever live,


Perhaps but there are many other stories; one about Sabicas that I heard, can't remember from who, that the company that hired him to record an album used to pay him a certain amount of money upon completion, since he didn't trust any kind of royalties for his work.

And his fee for most of his concerts was $6,000 toward the end of his career. At least, this is what was charged for his last San Antonio concert.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2021 16:00:55
 
Ricardo

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RE: new build for 68' Conde style fl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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$6,000


Jeez! That is almost double my fee!!!

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