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Arash

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

she got it





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ernandez R

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

I'm surprised but not sure why.

This is tough...

As a reasonably healthy male, battling some vires crud at the moment, I have to ask how much of that first impression is just the mystery of the women playing? And don't get me wrong her playing is flawless. This woman is not fronting cleavage or a shear blouse, no slow motion hair wave, yet in so many ways much more suductive.

I played this for my partner first without saying anything about the artist. Passed the feet tapping test I've mentioned up thread. Then I bring my iPad over for her to watch and we have the discussion about women classical players with the cleavage etc as a marketing ploy. As a beginning player her first comments are about how fast her fingers are moving and then most of the way through the piece she comments on how relaxed she is while playing. Exactly, I reply.

The subject changed and we never got back on track...

This is a slick track and almost perfect. I too watch a players fingering of both hands admiring mostly but learning bits here and there. Not one hundred percent my cup of tea but better then much I've heard.

Some how we need a blind test, is it really that good or are we men being led by our gonads.

But I know better, it's that good. It's a whole package the video, the music, the settings, even the counterpoint of the man playing rhythm. Really a perfect end of the evening after two glasses of Pinot Grigio kick back and see what the world has to offer moment.

In a day full of dissension from half way around the world one woman and her guitar brings us back together.


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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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kitarist

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

I just came across this article from mid-2019: Meet the Revolutionary Women Strumming Their Way Into the World of Flamenco Guitar.

It mentions Antonia Jiménez (Madrid), Pilar Alonso (Granada), and Marta Robles (Barcelona), all of whom the author, Lavinia Spalding, had a a few private guitar lessons with.

She used to study flamenco as a child with her father Walter, who apparently went to Spain in 1974 or so to study it with anyone he can find (and claimed he managed to study with Paco de Lucia for a bit).

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

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ORIGINAL: rombsix



Antonia Jimenez seems very popular in Andalucia. At 1:25 she thinks female tocaors will be considered as normal in the future which I highly doubt. It's pretty normal thinking this way as a female tocaor. Btw, does anyone know who Adela Cubas is? Any youtube videos or audio of her playing?



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Piwin

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

Some good stuff in there but man, the issues with compas kind of throw everything off, unfortunately (in the first vid at least).
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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to devilhand

Wow! What a... Very nice Solea at the beginning. Who taught her camii rasgueado?



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rombsix

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to devilhand



She's more of a rumbera than a flamenkita, but who is this rumbero to judge?

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ernandez R

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

Mercedes Luján latest:



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doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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devilhand

 

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

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LoL at 14:03. A girl on the guitar and a guy on the pole. That's what I call turning the tables.

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LoL at 14:03. A girl on the guitar and a guy on the pole. That's what I call turning the tables.


I was expecting something completely different....

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to mark indigo

Now I'm starting to doubt if Mercedes Luján is still my #1 crush:

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

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Now I'm starting to doubt if Mercedes Luján is still my #1 crush:


Haha I saw this too. The YouTube algo suggested it because we watch women in the world of flamenco
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Now I'm starting to doubt if Mercedes Luján is still my #1 crush:


This is her:



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rombsix

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A budding flamenkita...

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Ricardo

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to rombsix

George Borrows met a chick in Valladolid in 1836 or so, playing and singing what sounds like was probably lots of flamenco.





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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
".. taught me to touch the guitar..."


So she used the verb tocar/ 'toque' and Borrow didn't know at the time that it was the equivalent to "playing guitar" and instead translated it literally?

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to kitarist

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So she used the verb tocar/ 'toque' and Borrow didn't know at the time that it was the equivalent to "playing guitar" and instead translated it literally?


Borrow may have thought it some sort of colloquialism used for playing the guitar, "to touch the guitar." Although he quotes her as saying, "I learned there to play on the guitar," as rendered into English as well. So he has used both forms, at least as he has translated them into English.

Language is interesting, particularly if one has a bent for learning archaic forms and how they have evolved. My wife Marta is Brazilian. We were assigned to the American Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia for four years. During that time we made many trips to Malacca, which was the original Malay entrepot until conquered by the Portuguese in 1511. Today in Malacca, in addition to Malay, many speak "Kristang," which is a variant of Portuguese that dates back more than 400 years. Marta was enchanted to be able to converse in her native language across 400 years.

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to kitarist

Facebook still translates comments in Spanish to "touching" the guitar in English when the poster obviously meant "play" the guitar. I see translated comments like "He touches well" all the time.
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Today in Malacca, in addition to Malay, many speak "Kristang," which is a variant of Portuguese that dates back more than 400 years. Marta was enchanted to be able to converse in her native language across 400 years.


That must have been a crazy and absolutely fascinating experience!

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JasonM

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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to kitarist

So if I say “I would like to touch your guitar” to a Spaniard but in English, will he know what I mean?
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RE: Women in the macho world of flam... (in reply to kitarist

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So she used the verb tocar/ 'toque' and Borrow didn't know at the time that it was the equivalent to "playing guitar" and instead translated it literally?


Exactly. And as Bill pointed out, he used both meanings in the same paragraph so to me the reader, I am getting a clear idea of how things are translated in his mind. Like I said he is very particular, and it still is very mysterious to me why he never translates “Flemish” or “flamenco” right from the mouths of these individuals. The way he translates the above, I can hear how she says all the stuff in Spanish, and it all sounds exactly the way flamencos speak and act. But no “flamenco” and no “cante” are ever stated out right in either book. Songs of Afición or songs of Andalucía, “wild couplets”, are what we get from him. It could very well be he was oblivious to it, and we have to infer it was going on from his uninformed observations, or he was covering it up deliberately, only dropping subtle hints. Either way, both his books have good stuff I feel is related. And there were plenty of TOCAORAS back in the day!

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