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Is Spanish always better than none Spanish.
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cavedave
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We all know that the Stones made black, blues music something we can all play.
Unlike Flamenco that is dominated by players from Spain, if not the traditional Spanish gypsy (forgive the lack of PC I know they prefer to be called something else). I remember the fuss made over Matitas De Plata - rejected because he wasn’t Spanish even though his gypsy credentials were impeccable (mind you, I thought he was crap, an aunty gave me one of his albums as a present, it only got one listen).
Is there anyone around who is neither Spanish nor Gypsy who can free Flamenco from being the preserve of a few with the right background?
As an art form, it seems to me, so well developed that, just as the Stones with blues, it can be played expressively and in style by just about anyone willing to take the time to develop the requisite skills.
Or are there those who disagree with this and feel Flamenco, like French wine, needs terroir to be worth consuming.
Also, Can anyone can recommend a good, none Spanish, flamenco, recording artist?
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Date Feb. 2 2011 11:46:25
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Is Spanish always better than no... (in reply to cavedave)
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ORIGINAL: cavedave
Also, Can anyone can recommend a good, none Spanish, flamenco, recording artist?
these are some, who have a CD out
Adam del Monte
Jason MCGuire
Grisha Goryachev
Amir John Haddad
Michio
Pascual Gallo
Tino van der Sman
Miguel de la Bastide
and of course......Juan Martin
 (j/k)
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and we have a lot people with spanish or half spanish background who lived their whole life outside spain (in US, Europe, etc.), or were born somewhere else....like Juan Carmona in France...
and we have a lot of (non spanish) people, who are technically very advanced and have nice compositions, but not known at all, and no CD
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the rest of the discussion, others may be in the mood to discuss this....
we have been gone through this several times. just check the archive.
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Date Feb. 2 2011 13:02:08
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Arash
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RE: Is Spanish always better than no... (in reply to Doitsujin)
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but he also belongs to the other groups i mentioned in the second part (spanish background, living in other countries, in this case Germany)
Well,... its only a matter of how far you go backwards in time. We all came from africa. My ancestors, yours, Pacos, Rafaels.... so,... do you think the flamenco-soup in spanish blood (better gipsy blood) dilutes over generations.. and after some generations of crossing in other races, the children arent able to perform flamenco any more?
If that is true... Pacos flamenco-"soup" is already 50% diluted with portuguese soup but he is the best... how come? 
The only thing that counts is in which environment you grow up and live. Check Tarzan for reference. ;-D
agree,,,,,but its clear that this guy is not German and where his ancestors come from
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Date Feb. 2 2011 21:55:44
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Adam
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From: Hamilton, ON
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RE: Is Spanish always better than no... (in reply to Doitsujin)
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but he also belongs to the other groups i mentioned in the second part (spanish background, living in other countries, in this case Germany)
Well,... its only a matter of how far you go backwards in time. We all came from africa. My ancestors, yours, Pacos, Rafaels.... so,... do you think the flamenco-soup in spanish blood (better gipsy blood) dilutes over generations.. and after some generations of crossing in other races, the children arent able to perform flamenco any more?
If that is true... Pacos flamenco-"soup" is already 50% diluted with portuguese soup but he is the best... how come?
The only thing that counts is in which environment you grow up and live. Check Tarzan for reference. ;-D
Um, excuse me Doit, but we didn't come from Africa, we came from the Garden of Eden 6000 years ago. Duh.
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Date Feb. 2 2011 21:57:30
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Adam
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From: Hamilton, ON
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RE: Is Spanish always better than no... (in reply to Pimientito)
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Its nothing to do with Genetics...its culture. If you grow up with Japanese parents you find speaking Japanese very easy. If you don't then its very hard work...not impossible but much more work and effort. Its the same if you come from a family of flamencos, the cultural background is a huge advantage. Its just that generally Spanish gypsies are more exposed to flamenco culture as children than non gypsies.
+1000000. If you grow up in Jerez surrounded by flamenco, on the streets, in your house, in school, juergas all the time, you're going to be better at it than someone who grows up outside Spain and, like most of us, doesn't even discover flamenco until their late teens or something.
When it comes to culture, birth is far more important than it should be. You can transcend the class you're born into, the politics, the nationality, but it's extremely difficult to truly switch cultures. Once an American, rare is the person who can move and become, say, a bona fide German. Even if you integrate yourself well, there's almost always an aspect of foreignness left. That's why I was so impressed when I met David Serva, for example, who I first met when he was BSing in the Plaza de Plateros with some old Spaniards, then played some mean flamenco at our lesson; I didn't realize he was from San Francisco until he started talking to me in a flawless American accent! But that's very, very hard to do when you've been born and raised completely separately from that culture.
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