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henrym3483

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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There really isn't a such thing as a soloist who doesn't know cante accompaniment.

Cante is Flamenco, and Flamenco is Cante. it's like steak and cheese, Onions on your hotdog, Tinto with Fanta Limon.

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edguerin

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

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it's like steak and cheese, Onions on your hotdog, Tinto with Fanta Limon

egad

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2009 21:33:21

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

Cante actually comes from the german word Kante and means "edge". "Tischkante" would be the edge of a table. Gitanos, as we know, like to sit around the edges of a table (

) and sing. So they wanted to give this activity a shorter name. They wanted to make it more international, hence a "c" instead of "k", cante...

My last comment was more meant in the context of this thread, but i do think that the note-for-note playing of a falseta is easier to judge than an accompainment. I could think of many good ways of accompaining that ive heard, but with a PDL falseta, or any other, the space would be smaller. Its more pre-defined how you (should) play by what you play. Thats all imo of course...

Jason, i know that there are guys that are only interested in solo and dont want to do with cante, but seriously im not one of them... if its neccessary for solo to know cante i dont know. Some guitarrists like to stick more to the cante in their solo playing and some less or none.

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henrym3483

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Florian)

ok, i know its late in the day, but im going to try the task myself just for the fun of it.

but first of all what programs are you using to record the voice of felix and the guitar. i know in audacity you can play over a track but the mic i have is pretty crap and was wondering what everyone else is trying?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2009 2:30:49

Andy Culpepper

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to XXX)

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Cante actually comes from the german word Kante and means "edge". "Tischkante" would be the edge of a table. Gitanos, as we know, like to sit around the edges of a table ( ) and sing. So they wanted to give this activity a shorter name. They wanted to make it more international, hence a "c" instead of "k", cante...

LOL.

I'm going to assume that was a joke.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2009 4:13:21

henrym3483

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

anyone got the files, flo any chance of uploading it to rapidshare again?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2009 7:27:07

JasonMcGuire

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to XXX)

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ORIGINAL: Deniz

Cante actually comes from the german word Kante and means "edge". "Tischkante" would be the edge of a table. Gitanos, as we know, like to sit around the edges of a table ( ) and sing. So they wanted to give this activity a shorter name. They wanted to make it more international, hence a "c" instead of "k", cante...

Jason, i know that there are guys that are only interested in solo and dont want to do with cante, but seriously im not one of them... if its neccessary for solo to know cante i dont know. Some guitarrists like to stick more to the cante in their solo playing and some less or none.

If one is interestested in FLAMENCO, they WILL learn to accompany.

The word cante comes from the latin.... "canto" - to sing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2009 8:24:08

Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

yeah man if noone beats me to it il repload it tomarow...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2009 10:37:24

Ron.M

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

Jason,

In Scotland in the 50's there would be street beggars (mainly people who had met misfortune due to alcoholism and marital breakups etc) who would come round and sing popular ballads in the back-courts of tenament buildings for a few pennies flung out of the window.

You needed a strong, operatic voice to carry in the open air... actually, some of these guys were really good!

They were known as "chanters".

Also the melody pipe of the bagpipes is known as "the chanter", as opposed to the drone pipes.

So the word has carried across many languages and cultures.

However, Deniz's theory is very imaginitive, in that Flamenco and Gitanos lived very much on the "edge" of society...

cheers,

Ron

PS: The "JM" Latin-English Dictionary....

Man, this guy really gets around!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2009 11:43:13

Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

heres the track again

http://rapidshare.com/files/282180369/Cante_challenge_with_intro.mp3.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 5:08:17

Anders Eliasson

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

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but first of all what programs are you using to record the voice of felix and the guitar. i know in audacity you can play over a track but the mic i have is pretty crap and was wondering what everyone else is trying?

If I participate, I will most probably put the cante on the stereo and play along, recording it with my crappy usbstereo microphone where one channel doesnt work.... (Its not a joke)

I have an old Soundforge program, and I dont think it gives me the choice of importing one channel and playing along side on another and I havent got the energy to find and try a new program.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 8:00:04

at_leo_87

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

audacity will get you decent quality and you can record along with multiple tracks.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 8:35:06

duende

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

my computer still wont work, I got it back from the HP repair shop and they hadent done one thing to repair it

so now im gona send it back.

i dont know how i will record. However i´ve learnt one thing and that is that my playing sucks, it realy sounds horrible to my ears.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 8:59:14

Ron.M

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to duende)

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However i´ve learnt on thing and that is that my playing sucks, it realy sounds horrible to my ears.

No it doesn't.

This is one of my all time favourite uploads!

I wouldn't expect to hear better at a concert.

You really caught the groove there!

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=7078&p=5&tmode=2&smode=1

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 9:48:46

duende

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

oh I forgot about that Ron, thank you.

but that was 2004 so i should be better now

, im starting to think the mics are ****ed up in someway cause i doesnt sound that bad on video.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 11:47:01

edguerin

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

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I wouldn't expect to hear better at a concert.

I agree!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2009 21:15:28

Florian

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Cante Challenge!!IMPORTANT read for ... (in reply to duende)

Reminder of some of the names we had down as beeing involved with this...if you wanna be in/out anywhere judging or challenging let me know....if you are down as a judge and cant do it please let me know Asap before the deadline 30st Sep..so we have enough time to find replacements..judging will probably be on the between 1st - 3rd of OCT..

Challengers

Duende
John O
Stu
Muninn ?
Deteresa
mrMagenta
Florian
Deniz
srshea
xirdneH_imiJ
Matic
Anders Eliasson
bursche
romerito
henrym3483

Panel of judges

Félix de Lola
JasonMcGuire
Ricardo
NormanKliman
Sean
Kate & Harold
Doitsujin
edguerin

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2009 5:16:36

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Cante Challenge!!IMPORTANT read ... (in reply to Florian)

Doitsujin only judging? i love your playing it'd be great if you could challenge...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2009 6:47:43

edguerin

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RE: Cante Challenge!!IMPORTANT read ... (in reply to Florian)

Unfortunately I'm still recuperating from shoulder-surgery, so I'm out as a contestant. However I'd be willing to serve as judge

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2009 7:29:05

Florian

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RE: Cante Challenge!!IMPORTANT read ... (in reply to edguerin)

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Unfortunately I'm still recuperating from shoulder-surgery, so I'm out as a contestant. However I'd be willing to serve as judge

no problem amigo, its understandable

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2009 7:52:09

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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ORIGINAL: JasonMcGuire
If one is interestested in FLAMENCO, they WILL learn to accompany.

Yeah sure man, fully agreed

. I was just (again) pointing at something different, but its not important.
Looking forward to the challenge... i even have a falseta! Now the fun part of recording can start.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2009 11:54:16

mrMagenta

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

I don't know if I can do any sort of justice to this competition. I'm working hard on the intermediate challenge. It's the same palo but the challenges are demanding in different ways and I need to work a lot on both!

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henrym3483

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to mrMagenta)

thanks for the re-up flo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 21 2009 5:19:36

Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

I am proposing a short extenshion on the deadline because we gonna be running too close to the intermediate challenge deadline and the two challenges gonna be stealing eacohothers thunder and its gonna get messy and confusing...but really and mostly cause i am so so behind and havent done anything on it

what do you guys think ? i mean really...is anyone gonna die if we make the deadline on the 7th instead of the 30th

? is it gonna be the end of the world ? so well be one week later BIG DEAL..how dare you complain..there's people starving in africa

so what do you say ? cmon dont be selfish...

you have a voice...dont abuse democracy...do the right thing..should the deadline be on the 7th of the next month or the 30th of this month ?

may god give you an errection at the most inapropiate times if you disagree with me..like at a public swimming pool or a function where you have to make a speach..or at a job interview

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2009 21:46:10

Ailsa

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Florian)

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may god give you an errection at the most inapropiate times if you disagree with me

Fortunately for me I am able to keep any arousal well hidden.

I am still able to be your admin on 7th so that's fine by me if you want to change.

Intermediate challenge deadline is now 26th though, so don't leave it too late.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2009 23:49:57

Ron.M

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Florian)

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may god give you an errection at the most inapropiate times if you disagree with me..like at a public swimming pool or a function where you have to make a speach..or at a job interview

Oh God..I don't know which is worse....getting one at an inappropriate time, or NOT getting one at an appropriate time?

(The true horn of Dilemma!

)

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2009 1:43:46

henrym3483

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Ron.M)

suits me better, im dying with a virus at the moment and every joint is achy, funnily enough the wrist of the right hand is more achy than the left...the marote stroke ive been trying must be doing my hand in.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2009 1:55:15

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Florian)

i was going to record today, actually i still am, so it really doesn't matter to me...whatever you guys agree on...
the problem is i was grating cheese yesterday - what a mistake! - see the picture with the end result...a fairly large part is now missing from my thumbnail, so it'll be interesting how it sounds...unfortunately today is the only day i have access to some decent recording equipment so i really have no choice but to do it today...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2009 3:45:11

Anders Eliasson

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

I think we should prospone to spring 2010 and then maybe prospone it a little more. Then maybe Flo will have the time to learn a falseta or two, and the intermediate, the beginners, the not so much beginners, the semiadvanced and maybe the subpros challenges can be finished without overlapping each other.

Just one more note. This challenge has already been prosponed once

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2009 4:56:14

Anders Eliasson

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to henrym3483)

To be serious. I clearly vote NO to a new deadline.

None of the reasons are acceptable. The Intermediate challenge has a deadline end october and if you guys havent made up how to record or what to play, I will just say that you´ve had 3 - 4 month.

DEADLINE IS 30 SEPTEMBER

This way we interfere less with the intermediate challenge.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2009 5:03:19