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The Cante accompaniment challenge!! Finally
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Florian
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Joined: Jul. 14 2003
From: Adelaide/Australia
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 The Cante accompaniment challenge!! ...
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This are the guys you have to thank for this great idea and oportunity..Félix de Lola and Jason McGuire
 
This is my thread so no talking on my tread either  !!!...relax I am joking  ....  but serious il stab you 
We got an excellent challenge coming and i wanna get it started here..until we have better ideas or suggestions you will forghive me while i take it upon myself to lay down some ideas of how i think it should run...but i am open to absoluteley any idea and views, i just wanna get it going, i dont have to have the final say...as long as the majority, Felix and Jason are ok with it .. keep in mind we wanna gett it off the ground as soon as possible so that Jason and Felix can begin doing their part..
This is the idea..
Jason will record Felix with just backing Cajon/palmas (track to be provided and confirmed) ...Jason and Felix let me know what you think...u can ofcourse change it however you like to suit whatever you like to do..
- The challengers will have to ..Accompany Felix on 2 letras of Solea por Bulerias
- Falsetas, intro , (not a requirement) but optional ...whatever you think will compliment what Felix sings ..fine . ( no sampled instruments or other instruments allowed, besides what is provided to you and your guitar)
Besides the obvious Prizes ..you also get 1 hour private lesson and help in accompanying with Felix via Skype...thats gold ..since its so hard to get alot of practice time with a singer..I know i would flipp out at the oportunity and know there are many others who unfortunateley live in a place of the world where you dont get much oportunity to practice with a singer but would love it...so this one is for you amigos  take this oportunity
Deadline for submitting your entry is 7th of October
submit your entries to Ailisa flamencoguitarcourse@yahoo.co.uk
If you intend to enter please put your name down here...everyone and anyone is welcome
And also we will think of other prizes (Michelob and I..) that we can contribuite to the competition..the prizes will need to match the grandness of this challenge.. beeing able to host a challenge like this in the forum..it really has been something we have only been able to dream about in the past..i dont know if its ever been done in another guitar forum in the past
So please any ideas, input , excitment ..offers to sponsor and contribuite to the prizes is welcome..
stay tuned as the fine details of this are under construction and discussion but please feel free to be excited, and share your thoughts on how to best get the most out of this competition and oportunity..how to make it the biggest one yet
for judging I am thinking of a system that combines 2 systems..
It will be judged partialy by some expert judges..Obviously Felix, Jason, Sean, Norman..Ron, Kate anyone else ? .. in total about 8 to 10 judges who spend alot of time listening to cante ...now i dont know what everyone does and how much everyone knows and listens to cante.. so i am relying on you to tell me...of how confident you feel of this task....i am relying on members who we havent yet meet who are quite experienced at giving us the benefit of their wisdom by stepping foward and taKing on judging responsibilities..
but i am thinking we count the judges scores we establish as the jury twice..
AND in adition we also open it to public voting where everyone gets a vote, i say one vote because to be fair we dont know the level of experience of everyone that will vote and how that will affect the final score, and how fair it will turn out.. if anyone feels that they are well trained and experienced and should be part of the jury feel free to come foward and say so.....and likewise for members who we appoint to be part of the expert panel of the judges..if you feel that u dont want this responsibilitie feel free to say so..
So in the end we add up x2 the Established Jury Panel
and x1Public vote
what do you think sounds like a good way to get a good combination of public view and experienced judging ?..its too risky to leave it all to public vote..as none of us know what to expect...but i dont wanna exclude anyones views...i imagine the judges will be more then matched in numbers by public voters even with 2 votes..
Date and other finals details still coming..
I need to get it out of the way and just ask Ailsa and Michelob and anyone else that was planning a challenge if they are ok with this taking place as soon as posssible ? i am sure you guys agree its a golden oportunity for something different never before done here ....we can find a way for everything to get done here but i get really excited at the chance of having a cante accompanying challenge ...
THis is the track you will accompany
http://www.foroflamenco.com/upfiles/90/Wu61716.mp3
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Date Jun. 15 2009 20:29:12
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NormanKliman
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 RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Florian)
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Here's a transcription and translation of the verse. Both are examples of three-line eight-syllable verse, and as far as I know they're both so old that nobody knows who actually wrote them. You know, before Internet, video games, television and even radio, when all that people had was each other (maybe a deck of cards...) I might have some historical information on these letras, but I'll have to look for it and will add it to this post if I find anything.
So let's have a look at each one: how they're written, how they're sung in this case and a rough translation to English.
WRITTEN VERSE 1
Tú eres como los judios
aunque la ropa te quemen
no niegas de lo sufrido
SUNG VERSE 1
Judíos, judíos, judíos, judíos
tú eres como los judíos
que aunque la ropa te quemen
no niegas de lo sufrido
que aunque la ropa te quemen
compañerita del alma*
no niegas de lo sufrido
TRANSLATION 1
You're like the Jews
even if they burn your clothes
you won't deny your suffering
*This line isn't actually part of the written verse. It's one of a few exclamations that singers have been interjecting at will for 100 years or more. The literal translation would be "companion of my soul" or "soul-mate" , but for all practical purposes, it's like singing "Oh, baby, baby, baby" or something like that.
WRITTEN VERSE 2
Acuérdate cuando entonces
bajabas descalzita a abrirme
y ahora no me conoces
SUNG VERSE 2
Y acuérdate cuando entonces
y acuérdate cuando entonces ay
bajabas descalzita a abrirme
y ahora no me conoces
bajabas descalzita a abrirme
y ahora no me conoces
TRANSLATION 2
Remember back then
you used to come down barefoot to open the door for me
and now you don't know who I am
Remember, what Félix is doing here (and doing it well) is matching cantes with letras, so if you find other recordings of these letras, they might not be the same cantes. If you pay attention to his voice, you'll find opportunities for different chords.
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I am the one who admitted not to like Cante but.... this is spectacular!!! I loved it. It is independently so beautiful that our challenge will be not to ruin it with some intrusive falseta so to let the voice govern.
I agree, GJ, although there's a risk of oversimplifying accompaniment, too. I like to think of it as being the straight man in a comic duo. While the other guy is telling the joke (or better yet, when he stops to breathe), you provide support and direction, and give him a solid platform to deliver the punchline. In that scenario, there would be a lot of things to say besides "Yeah? And then what happened?" 
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lol really not sure what that means. 
