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VAHE

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Flamenco tap plate 

Hello Everyone
I need a source where to get a clear flamenco tap plate and what thickness?

Thanks

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 27 2023 21:26:17
 
Fawkes

 

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

[edit: Whatever article I was thinking of here was either irrelevant or a figment of my jumbled memory, so that there is no thickness puzzle after all, huzzah.]

There was a thread about this a while back in which a thickness was recommended that is not, especially now, what is generally available. Some mention of getting the right material from an industrial source also came up, but the minimum order was large.

Even some Spanish sources are offering the smaller thickness now, so the whole thing is a puzzlement.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2023 3:55:49
 
gerundino63

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

https://www.lutherie-van-gool.nl/prod05.html

Guitar builder John van Gool sells a lot of golpeadores to guitarbuilders.
Maybe he can help you out.

Good luck,

Peter

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2023 10:52:14
 
VAHE

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to gerundino63

THANK YOU

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2023 20:37:43
 
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2023 20:43:37
 
constructordeguitarras

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

I think this may be the stuff.
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005297006/
You could talk to a salesman and ask about the thickness and request a sample.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 29 2023 3:04:22
 
Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

I have used these for decades already. They used to sell 8x8, so I feel they are getting you two for the price of one here. The thickness is probably more than as recorded, I don’t know, but it is exactly what is typical for flamenco guitars that I have owned and removed/replaced myself.

https://www.stringsbymail.com/tapplate-large-golpeadore-clear-010-in-8-x-16-inches-8170.html

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 29 2023 14:22:42
 
Fawkes

 

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

I don't know why I never thought to check the miraculous McMaster-Carr, but they have a number of thin clear sheet plastic products in smaller quantities without adhesive.

On the other hand what's good enough for Ricardo (and he's removed the ones he uses successfully too as I recall) ought to be just plain good enough.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 29 2023 20:33:21
 
VAHE

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Ricardo

THANK YOU

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2023 4:27:23
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

Interesting, I used to buy the self stick 3M Mylar from LMI, the thickness was 0.10” - they are out of biz now. Good to know Strings by Mail has the same product. The price is reasonable as LMI sold 8” x 10” pieces for about $4.00 USD with tax, so it really about the same.

Now I use half mm Mylar I get at the local hardware store, it comes in 25 x 35 cm sheet. I glue it on with white glue the old fashioned way.

Some other sources of Mylar that is the correct thickness- or if not Mylar it’s an acceptable plastic for tap plate- the clear plastic boxes that IKEA packs formal dinner plates in is perfect. Just buy a couple plates from IKEA and keep the boxes and that’s four tap plates worth of plastic.

I’m not kidding, I harvested the plastic from IKEA boxes when a relative bought a set of dining plates. You figure out the puns and dad’s jokes ~

[ EDIT- decimal point to - .010” ]

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2023 2:22:16
 
constructordeguitarras

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to estebanana

quote:

Interesting, I used to buy the self stick 3M Mylar from LMI, the thickness was 0.10”

I suspect you mean 0.01"

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 1 2023 23:59:22
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to constructordeguitarras

No I meant 0.10” to 0.19” ( 0.19 is one half mm)

I looked up the LMI self stick Mylar, it’s 0.11” eleven thousandths of an inch

[ EDIT - Original post has decimal incorrectly placed. Should be .011 to .019 ]

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2023 11:01:09
 
Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

No I meant 0.10” to 0.19” ( 0.19 is one half mm)

I looked up the LMI self stick Mylar, it’s 0.11” eleven thousandths of an inch


Interesting…you Luthiers use totally different math than what my kids are learning!

1 inch = 1.00”
Tenth of an inch = 0.10”
Hundredth = 0.01”
Thousandth = 0.001”
Ten thousandth (Tenths for short) = 0.0001”

Etc.

0.02”= 0.5 mm.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2023 15:52:58
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Interesting…you Luthiers use totally different math than what my kids are learning!

1 inch = 1.00”
Tenth of an inch = 0.10”
Hundredth = 0.01”
Thousandth = 0.001”
Ten thousandth (Tenths for short) = 0.0001”

Etc.

0.02”= 0.5 mm.


Cierto.

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2023 21:12:37
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Richard Jernigan

I reckon LMI was putting the decimal point in the wrong place ?

I put the decimal point in the wrong place in my post.

But .000 is thousandths right. .011 to .019 is the thickness we use for tap plates.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 0:43:49
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

No I meant 0.10” to 0.19” ( 0.19 is one half mm)

I looked up the LMI self stick Mylar, it’s 0.11” eleven thousandths of an inch


Interesting…you Luthiers use totally different math than what my kids are learning!

1 inch = 1.00”
Tenth of an inch = 0.10”
Hundredth = 0.01”
Thousandth = 0.001”
Ten thousandth (Tenths for short) = 0.0001”

Etc.

0.02”= 0.5 mm.



You’re right, I have difficulty with decimal points, I often transcribe them incorrectly. Rather than correct original posts I placed an [EDIT] notice

Have difficulty with astigmatism and numbers

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 0:52:59
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

This make sense?

When I put it into the online conversion table I put the decimal in the right place, but in writing it on the Foro I put it in the wrong place. Do not try to short change me in a guitar sale, I will count the money by hand.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 0:54:58
 
ernandez R

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to VAHE

Don’t sweat it brother, you’ve seen some of my spelling ;) I’m way over it and don’t let it slow me down. I knew what you meant but didn’t need to bring it up, got better things to do.

Got two classical boxes bent up and kerfed… Glued the neck blocks on the wrong side of the scarfed neck piece, was able to snap it off mostly clean and rejoin on the correct side before the glue set up completely, then dorfed it big time getting tricky with an angled center strip. Spent today fixing it with some fancy planer work.

At some point was thinking how easy this would be if I didn’t dyexlexic half the **** I was trying to do.

HR

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 2:24:23
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to ernandez R

quote:

ORIGINAL: ernandez R

Don’t sweat it brother, you’ve seen some of my spelling ;) I’m way over it and don’t let it slow me down. I knew what you meant but didn’t need to bring it up, got better things to do.

Got two classical boxes bent up and kerfed… Glued the neck blocks on the wrong side of the scarfed neck piece, was able to snap it off mostly clean and rejoin on the correct side before the glue set up completely, then dorfed it big time getting tricky with an angled center strip. Spent today fixing it with some fancy planer work.

At some point was thinking how easy this would be if I didn’t dyexlexic half the **** I was trying to do.

HR


Oh I’m not sweating it, thanks for the support between guitars makers. Keep on working and assured that our kind is not like Ricardo and all the guitarists who make thumbnail length into a penis measurement contest. But at least they know to use thousandths of an inch as the base unit for them. 😂

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 2:37:14
 
Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: ernandez R

Don’t sweat it brother, you’ve seen some of my spelling ;) I’m way over it and don’t let it slow me down. I knew what you meant but didn’t need to bring it up, got better things to do.

Got two classical boxes bent up and kerfed… Glued the neck blocks on the wrong side of the scarfed neck piece, was able to snap it off mostly clean and rejoin on the correct side before the glue set up completely, then dorfed it big time getting tricky with an angled center strip. Spent today fixing it with some fancy planer work.

At some point was thinking how easy this would be if I didn’t dyexlexic half the **** I was trying to do.

HR


Oh I’m not sweating it, thanks for the support between guitars makers. Keep on working and assured that our kind is not like Ricardo and all the guitarists who make thumbnail length into a penis measurement contest. But at least they know to use thousandths of an inch as the base unit for them. 😂


Honestly I was just backing up Ethan who first caught it and pointed it out but you were like “NO!”. . I actually have no clue about the math and had to look it up on wiki to be sure. Anything shorter than a millimeter (I need glasses to see that now a days) might as well be the Planck Length!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 14:05:54
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Ricardo

Having worked as an engineer in the UK and Europe, the error was clear to me right away.

Ironically, my first introduction to the metric system was contracting with the UK government. We in the USA persist with feet, inches, miles, and so on, while the originator of the Imperial system switched to metric in 1965. We were presented with a thick book containing columns of figures setting out the proper conversions between the U.S. system and metric.

I just remembered a few conversion factors, and which direction to round if you landed on .x...x5. A U.S. inch is exactly 2.54 centimeters.

With further irony, this article in the NY Times

https://tinyurl.com/mrmtdtyz

says they're going to allow food to be sold in Imperial pounds, ounces, etc. without any metric markings, now that they have Brexited. Can farthings and barleycorns be far behind?

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2023 22:58:44
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: ernandez R

Don’t sweat it brother, you’ve seen some of my spelling ;) I’m way over it and don’t let it slow me down. I knew what you meant but didn’t need to bring it up, got better things to do.

Got two classical boxes bent up and kerfed… Glued the neck blocks on the wrong side of the scarfed neck piece, was able to snap it off mostly clean and rejoin on the correct side before the glue set up completely, then dorfed it big time getting tricky with an angled center strip. Spent today fixing it with some fancy planer work.

At some point was thinking how easy this would be if I didn’t dyexlexic half the **** I was trying to do.

HR


Oh I’m not sweating it, thanks for the support between guitars makers. Keep on working and assured that our kind is not like Ricardo and all the guitarists who make thumbnail length into a penis measurement contest. But at least they know to use thousandths of an inch as the base unit for them. 😂


Honestly I was just backing up Ethan who first caught it and pointed it out but you were like “NO!”. . I actually have no clue about the math and had to look it up on wiki to be sure. Anything shorter than a millimeter (I need glasses to see that now a days) might as well be the Planck Length!



Walk the Planck conde Pirate 🏴‍☠️

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2023 4:29:22
 
estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

Having worked as an engineer in the UK and Europe, the error was clear to me right away.

Ironically, my first introduction to the metric system was contracting with the UK government. We in the USA persist with feet, inches, miles, and so on, while the originator of the Imperial system switched to metric in 1965. We were presented with a thick book containing columns of figures setting out the proper conversions between the U.S. system and metric.

I just remembered a few conversion factors, and which direction to round if you landed on .x...x5. A U.S. inch is exactly 2.54 centimeters.

With further irony, this article in the NY Times

https://tinyurl.com/mrmtdtyz

says they're going to allow food to be sold in Imperial pounds, ounces, etc. without any metric markings, now that they have Brexited. Can farthings and barleycorns be far behind?

RNJ



NYT paywall. Yes, crazy Brexiteers. The US supposedly isn’t on the metric system, but isn’t there a small section on most food labels where the metric equivalent is given in addition to ounces or pints?

The base 12 building industry in the US makes much more sense to me than building metrically. It’s not abstract like base 10 metric measurements which are determined by a portion of the earth divided by 10. It’s based on the scale of the human body.

In long lengths in guitar making, body length, bout width neck length I use inches because the numbers are lower and easier to remember- back length 19” lower bout width 14” and then for small components metric measurements, saddle width, nut width etc. metric measurements are more accurate and easier to divide.

Should we put pounds & ounces labels on any guitars crossing into Brexitland?

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JasonM

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to estebanana

quote:

they are out of biz now.


OMG just now seeing this. What a bummer. Stew Mac never had near as good of a wood selection.
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estebanana

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to JasonM

quote:

ORIGINAL: JasonM

quote:

they are out of biz now.


OMG just now seeing this. What a bummer. Stew Mac never had near as good of a wood selection.



When Allied Luthiers family sold their business ( Todd Taggart and son Grant) some guys on the east coast bought the company and moved the stock to the east. I haven’t checked with them for a few years, but they might be closer to your area. When Todd left LMI I mostly followed him in his set up as Allied, but always slid back to LMI for tuners and tap plate material.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2023 17:38:44
 
JasonM

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to estebanana

quote:

When Allied Luthiers family sold their business ( Todd Taggart and son Grant) some guys on the east coast bought the company and moved the stock to the east. I haven’t checked with them for a few years, but they might be closer to your area. When Todd left LMI I mostly followed him in his set up as Allied, but always slid back to LMI for tuners and tap plate material.


Thanks for the info. Ive heard of Allied but didn't know they were from LMI.
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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Flamenco tap plate (in reply to Ricardo

The reason your errant decimal point stood out to me right away is because my soundboards and backs generally start out a tenth of an inch thick (2.5 mm), so I realized that that would be quite a thick golpeador. However, I think I have seen some almost that thick, from Europe.

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