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El Burdo

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to estebanana)

Yeah, really badly built and played. Is that the first run through, without any bedding-in? Phew.

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estebanana

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Yeah, really badly built and played. Is that the first run through, without any bedding-in? Phew.

Yes, I'm afraid so, but you know his majesty 'Carbon Footprint' is the expert of the Foro and he says my very existence on Earth is wrong so I guess that it true.

Only El Carbs knows the true path. We should be thankful he is here to guide us all.

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)

Nice D. Serva falseta at the end Stephen, love that one.

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Tom Blackshear

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Very responsive guitar Stephen. What plan or style is the pattern for the top?

That guitar really sings.

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to estebanana)

Looks and sounds great, Stephen!

Never listen to experts.

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to tijeretamiel)

#s 116 and 117 sound really good, Anders/tijeretamiel.

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estebanana

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

That trusy falseta of David's is a good one to see how the guitar responds- if it plays that falseta with not much effort to articulate the trebles and the legato then the guitar is working.

Tom,
That guitar and the last five have been based closely on the 51 Barbero drawing of Brune' , with the exception that the plantilla is from a 1927 Santos. I did not set out to make Barbero copies to market as Barbero copies, but I wanted to build the same exact model over several times to see how it changes from guitar to guitar. It was more about what I would learn than about selling them as reproductions, which they are not.

I'm off flamencos for a few months I have some personal projects lined up, an instrument for David Serva in fact- it's a secret what I'm going to build. And a Torres model which I'm building because I have not yet grappled with Torres and that interests me. Then a Friederich cedar top. A viola is in the works based on Gasparo da Salo, but there always room to work on a flamenco. And 'll get back to it because once you build flamencos you really can't stop it's rather obsessive.

It's frustrating I have not explored building a Hauser or a Bouchet yet ether and I've seen flamencos guitars which have Bouchet bars. Both those ways of thinking are considered old hat by now, but I think there is still a lot of merit in investigating them. What I've been drawn to after making the five from the Barbero plan is to make small intimate guitars, so the Torres with 644 scale I have sketched out is probably next.

Oh but first there is this matter of a cutaway retopping. That will prove interesting.

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Tom Blackshear

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to estebanana)

Good for you and I hope everything turns out excellent. I've built all of the mentioned, except Bouchet, and I'm doing something similar to Reyes, but it's not a Reyes copy.

Manuel Adalid is building a Blackshear model, both flamenco and classical, but I don't know if it will work with me trying to be a store to sell the guitars. I think it would be better for him to market these instruments to the public.

I recently heard that he sells this style for 4500 Euros from his factory, and that he has had offers from other guitar houses in Spain to carry this model.

It seems that he is free to do business in Spain, etc but I'm thinking about releasing him from my US interest and letting him have a better situation with US music stores.

I feel that the last guitar you showed me is truly excellent but you should always cast your bread many different ways upon the water so the return will be fruitful.

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Ruphus

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)

Tom,

As someone who has let so many skins floating down the river ( as we say in German), I have the feeling that you would be doing a mistake by letting go your opportunity of distribution.

My suggestion is to not do that.
Market acceptance provided this could enable you a nice income, merely bound to a bit of office and shipping work ( for which you could employ someone ). It could be your ideal pension for the elderly days.

In this messed up economical system all the big shots live from squeezing their completely superfluous butts in between suppliers and byers, whereas you are thinking of pulling yours out of your own trade.

I would not let that chance slip through needlessly, unless there was large enough cushion already to rest my head on.
Just sayin´, with your permission.

Ruphus

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Tom Blackshear

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As someone who has let so many skins floating down the river ( as we say in German), I have the feeling that you would be doing a mistake by letting go your opportunity of distribution.

Thanks you for your concern and I feel your heart is in the right place, but my wife reminded me that my initial intent was to provide Manuel Adalid with a new model and help him adjust his tonal prospects with it, without getting bogged down in other problems like trying to run a store selling musical instruments.

I think it is imperative that I follow the first ideal with this association. I come from a business background and I can say that, at this time, contemplating a bigger picture is not where I want to be as a person who is already past retirement age.

This doesn't mean that I'm out of the race but that I will have less responsibility for my participation. If Manuel wants to use my name for the new model then he is free to use it, if he feels it will add to his prospective sales.

This association has developed into more of a personal friendship than just business as usual. And I have my own guitar building to think about.

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estebanana

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As someone who has let so many skins floating down the river ( as we say in German), I have the feeling that you would be doing a mistake by letting go your opportunity of distribution.

That is a strange saying, what does it mean in your head?

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Ruphus

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

I suppose it to be coming from around the Goldrush times in Canada.
In spring Trappers had to ship their winter harvest down the river to the next town. And as the rivers whirlpools and shallows would have changed over winter period, getting your loaded canue safely across used to be a challenge which could end up with capsize.
From there folks would at times be seeing their skins and whole of seasonal earning ( if not all of their belongings) washed away.

I always imagine the classical scenery around the Clondike river, and it wouldn´t surprise me if the saying was derived directly from Jack London´s literature.

Ruphus

PS:

Thinking about it ... Tying the load firmly, with excess rope that would be knotted to the mid of a strong wooden bar, could had helped for eventual salvage. Maybe even with an inflated goat bladder or something ...

And as I can come to such idea spontaneously I guess many trappers will have prepared some roughly similar prevention against loss, though chances should have been small for the bundle to actually get cought near by anywhere at river sides.

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estebanana

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

Ok good, the image in my head was Stalin or some one similar and human skins with the guts scooped out m but the heads left intact.

You're basically talking beavers & squirrels and bears ?

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Ruphus

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

Yep. And wolves, badgers and racoons.

Do you have no similarly related idiom in Northern USA?

Ruphus

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

A recently completed blanca... Spruce/Cypress with planetary pegs. Just strung it up yesterday but it has a nice aggressive, edgy sound with a lot of volume starting to come in.

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Andy Culpepper

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El Burro Flamencuro

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Wow Andy! That guitar looks and sounds really freaking amazing. May i know what strings you are using?

When you start playing up higher, it really reminds me of the tone that paco had in the early days 1:07 and again at 1:30.

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Leñador

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Nice! You've always been pretty good but that was another level man, very smooth and very fluent! Ole tu y tu guitarra!

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Arash

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Agree, sounds muy flamenco.
Nice playing too.

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tijeretamiel

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Another fine guitar Andy.

There is one thing you need to work on though, and that would be sideburns.

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Ruphus

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

There are diverse criterions one can consider.
For instance of two fine flamencas that I have here, the Ramirez is remarkable in general terms, suitable for playing demand in flamenco. Whereas the DeVoe is impressive in its sonic ability and shine with basically any genre you may play. ( Making it plausible as versatile studio guitar.)

Andy´s guitars however please my ear as plain flamenco sounding. You hear a single snotty chord and associate the genre simultaneously.
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And his playing, as good again like in a certain clip when I listened to his work first time and praised the technique as flicking away so well.

Olé Antonio!

Ruphus

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to El Burdo)

Thanks everyone!
The strings are my usual combo: D'addario EJ45 trebles and Luthier set 20 basses.

tijereta: That's a great suggestion. I've actually been growing my hair longer and some mornings in the bathroom I think: wow, I look like a flamenco singer from the 70s

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tijeretamiel

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ORIGINAL: deteresa1

tijereta: That's a great suggestion. I've actually been growing my hair longer and some mornings in the bathroom I think: wow, I look like a flamenco singer from the 70s

Of the 'puro' flamenco/gitano looks, I identify the following ones to be vital to the beauty of flamenco

1. Combover
2. Mullett
3. Sideburns

No.3 is the one which for a young chap like yourself is possible without too much loss of dignity in the modern world.

PS - IMO PdL's golden era I identify to be No.3 and later No.1 the sideburn era to the sideburn and combover era. Sabicas was 'flamenco puro' No.1. He might have had sideburns but with a combover that mighty, everything pales in insignificance.

Grow the sideburns Andy.

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Anders Eliasson

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I thought a mullet was a fish.

And it doesnt look very flamenco to me.

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estebanana

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Nice mullet.

Ricardo was cleaning out his record collection a few weeks ago and due to the kid needing more closet space and more room to store this orange guitar collection had to choose between Gorgoroth, Bob Seger and the Bay City Rollers albums. The Rollers album got cut and he sent it to me as a gift.

That would be an example of the mullet in the lower left hand corner.

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Joan Maher

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Here you have a history...

http://www.plagueofthemullet.com/history-of-the-mullet.htm

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estebanana

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What Andy needs are real mans "mutton chops" :

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tijeretamiel

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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

I thought a mullet was a fish.
And it doesnt look very flamenco to me.

Underrated fish.

I'm perplexed it isn't more popular.

(sorry Anders, I couldn't resist)

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Andy Culpepper

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^Handsome dudes.

This is the look I could pull off I think.

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Ruphus

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Hey, that could be him!

Around 1976 or maybe ´77 we had the very exotic pleasure of that time to enjoy a Spanish youngster who had been invited to come and gig at our German boarding school. At that time it seemed as if hardly anyone in Europe other than Spain had heard of "flamingo muzeek" yet, and I was flabbergasted by how the man flipped across the strings.
Kinda like rock´n roll under amphetamine.

Aside of the artistry he was a very humble and friendly fellow who even appreciated my wannabe blues of that time ( on that lousy Hohner junk).

Far from telling with certainty, but it wouldn´t surprise me if it was the person on your cover.
Just saying.

Ruphus

PS:
Posture!
Look at how nicely he holds his RH wrist. Beyond straight, even slightly bend inwards ( in opposite to the typically seen mistake of bending outwards to apparently accomodate arps / tremolo).
That´s what I would call "embracing".

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