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rombsix

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Guest

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Ramzi already mentioned a point about my picado...thanks Ramzi!


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Doitsujin

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

Great falseta there Ricardo! Well I work on different stuff right now. But I´ll follow the challenge!
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vigrond

 

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

I'm getting the beginning down. Wicked stuff

Count me in
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Ron.M

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Elie

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I won the last intermediate challenge but i still think this piece won't be so easy to me


Yeah, jump right in Elie.

What I might do after the first voting/poll round, is select between who I think are Group 1 and Group 2 players and run a second poll for the best of the lesser experienced players.

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Ricardo

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

Perhaps more advanced players need to be required to upload at a certain tempo and or with metronome. Lower level players can go slower or what feels more natural to them.

Obviously the challenge is the syncopation....but I am sure since most people did not point it out in the original Niño Ricardo video that is surprising to hear against a click like I did it. It is certainly easier to interpret without obeying the normal 3 beat compas because it sounds like straight triplets in 4.

At 1:16:


I don't mind lower level players just going for it, N. Ricardo is not super metronomic above, though he is pretty darned even for an old schooler. but for more advanced level players I think it is important to do it against a click.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 1 2012 15:54:04
 
chester

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks for the reference Ricardo.

Just to get it straight - the syncopated section is in sixteenths (four to the click), right?

What minimum tempo would you suggest?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 1 2012 20:26:57
 
Ricardo

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to chester

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Just to get it straight - the syncopated section is in sixteenths (four to the click), right?

What minimum tempo would you suggest?


Yes, 16ths 4 per click. I play it at 130. I guess around 120 is good. But in fact to play it slow was a lot harder. Find a comfortable speed that you can control it all and still play with feeling. If you feel you are more advanced (like they guy who won a challenge before) then push it up to my tempo if you can.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2012 15:57:23
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 3 2012 18:35:29
 
Ron.M

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Guest

rumbaking,

It doesn't have to be EXACTLY note for note but try to stick as close as you can to the original.

I don't think you should go adding other falsetas as folk will think you are being a smartass.
Not a good idea IMO.


cheers,

Ron
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vigrond

 

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

Just wanted to clarify when this thing is due :p Around march 20th or so?

By the way I've had a blast learning this thing, thanks!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2012 6:39:48
 
Elie

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

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Just wanted to clarify when this thing is due :p Around march 20th or so?


you have till 31 March, you should submit before Sunday 12.00 noon GMT 1 April.
Ole to you man
actually I didn't start learning it yet

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Adam

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

No guarantees I'll get around to it but count me in...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 6 2012 0:20:05
 
chester

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

Are there any ideas regarding prizes? I was thinking the winner can (has to) come up with a falseta that will be the next challenge. That way we can keep this thing going.

Thoughts?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 6 2012 4:57:35
 
Elie

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

I love your idea chester, very interesting
a thought : maybe we can offer the winner a flamenco CD that one of the contestants has and the winner doesn't have

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 6 2012 8:21:06
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Ricardo

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this weird arpegio technique the timing is like freaking me out a little....I read one of the posts about it sounding like 4's and indeed it does....But I know it can't really be in 4's... What it sounds like to me is the fours are in reality beats of six.


You should have been clued in early after I loaded the vid when some of the higher level players admitted the timing was challenging. Perhaps it is a bit out of your level, but I think you can get it. What is happening is 4 notes per click or beat (16th notes played as p,am,i,p...am,i,p,am.....i,p,am,i....repeat).

In solea you have 12 beats, if you think of solea as 4 measures of 3 beats then each accented tick of my metronome I play to is count 1 of each measure. (1,4,7,10 if you count to 12). 4 notes per click means 12 notes per measure. (4x3). Now the bass notes of the phrase do NOT come on the clicks, only the FIRST click. They are synchopated against the time and come every 3 16th notes. So you are accenting groups of 4 notes per beat in groups of 3. 3x4 again is 12. That is why it feels weird.

One trick is to forget the arps and only play the bass notes. Try to get a feel for the bass melody which is 4 notes against 3 ticks of the metronome. If you can do that then filling in the other 16th notes with arps is easy.

The second trick is to imagine that YOU are playing triplets as the phrase sounds. Triplets in 4 time, and the click is actually doing a synchopation against YOUR music. It sounds harder but is actually easier to do in this case because this falseta is pretty long. The only danger here is getting back into the normal solea time on the final E chord and after....there will be a tendency to rush the tempo.

Good luck man. As I mentioned earlier, lower level players can maybe just "go for it" and forget the metronome for now...but for sure the more advanced level players have no excuse.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 12 2012 17:20:26
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marduk

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Ricardo

Ricardo, I really love the stuff you played in your opening compas... I have been trying to "feel and learn" some more advanced arpeggio for solea than what I already know, what you played is the kind of thing I am looking for.... I really must get around to taking a lesson from you :)

just wanted to say thanks for posting that
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 13 2012 1:43:29
 
Guitguy77

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Ron.M

Would it be an imposition to ask that a cohesive description of the challenge be posted near the deadline (under the current challenge category,perhaps)? I am not on the foro enough to know who is actually fomenting this thing or being sarcastic/silly etc.
Thanks
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 15 2012 4:56:39
 
chester

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Guitguy77

This challenge doesn't seem to have very strict rules. Just learn the falseta, wrap it in a few compases, and upload an mp3. Deadline is March 31st.

Hopefully enough people will take the time to listen to each entry and give constructive criticism.

As far as the reward for having the 'best version' - honestly just having Ricardo record an educational video is rewarding enough.

Thanks again!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 15 2012 7:16:02
 
Elie

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

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wrap it in a few compases

I just felt it has enough compases sections ... not sure if we need to add more
btw the falseta is awesome, thank you Ricardo

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 21 2012 18:33:19
 
chester

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Elie

I thought the actual falseta is the part that begins with A B C D E F, the rest was just compas 'fillers'. Those aren't on the original video.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 21 2012 19:48:29
 
Elie

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

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the part that begins with A B C D E F

A B C D E F G H I J K ELEMENO P
I understand chester and totally agree with you

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 21 2012 19:53:51
 
Tomrocker

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

i'm in!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 21 2012 19:58:01
 
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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 21 2012 20:01:21
 
chester

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Elie

Elie - u so silly.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 21 2012 20:02:41
 
Elie

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

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Elie - u so silly.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 3:51:13
 
Pawo

 

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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to Elie

I'll like to give it a go...so count me in please

Cheers
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RE: Time for a challenge? (in reply to rombsix

Add me to the list please Elie
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