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at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Gummy)

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Don't forget the El Tempul challenge started by Ron in 08.

oh woops, sorry ron. that was before my days here.

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rogeliocan

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Ron.M)

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Post them in the "Challenges" forum, so they are easy for folk to find.

I sent a message to Simon asking him on the best way of doing this, I though a new section called Challenge Archive under Challenges where I could put 3 threads but I haven't heard back. Because it would be an archive of all 3 categories I did not want to put them under on of the already existing sections, it just did not fit there.

Suggestion?

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Ron.M

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to rogeliocan)

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Suggestion?

Ummm...let's see..

OK..how about in the "Resources" section?

('cos it is an actual "resource" if you think about it..

We can always move it later if needed)

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 19:22:36

rogeliocan

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Ron.M)

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OK..how about in the "Resources" section?

Super, I will put it up tomorrow.
How many intermediate and advanced challenges have there been? I found only one intermediate.

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Ron.M

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

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oh woops, sorry ron. that was before my days here.

Hi Leo,

It all fell apart anyway in the end, as the Foro got transferred to Captain Bob and folk got banned and stuff (including me).

Florian got it started up again at the beginning of the next year and that was the first Challenge to be completed.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 19:30:01

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to rogeliocan)

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How many intermediate and advanced challenges have there been? I found only one intermediate.

there's been two intermediates. one was a solea por bulerias, the other one was a moraito bulerias.

there's been a few beginners. the ones i can think of are....
bulerias compas
solea falseta from graf martinez
tangos falseta from rombsix's teacher
moraito tangos
ron's bulerias falseta

quote:

It all fell apart anyway in the end, as the Foro got transferred to Captain Bob and folk got banned and stuff (including me).

oh yeah, i signed up right around that time. boy, was i confused...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 19:49:28

rogeliocan

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

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there's been two intermediates. one was a solea por bulerias, the other one was a moraito bulerias.

there's been a few beginners. the ones i can think of are....
bulerias compas
solea falseta from graf martinez
tangos falseta from rombsix's teacher
moraito tangos
ron's bulerias falseta

Thanks, how about advanced.
I only found one intermediate and I have all the beginners except Graf Martinez I think.

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at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

there's been only one advanced, if i remember correctly.
it's a sticky in the uploads section.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 20:07:02

Andy Culpepper

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Don't forget about the cante accomp. challenge. Solea por Bulerias with Felix de Lola on cante.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 20:08:23

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

solea challenge
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=106369&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=moraito%2Cbulerias&tmode=&smode=&s=#106512

here's jason's challenge. but i dont know where the results are
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=102755&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=challenge&tmode=&smode=&s=#102755

moraito bulerias thread. again, couldn't find the results
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=99720&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=moraito%2Cbulerias

cante challenge (thanks andy!)
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=117310&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=challenge

weight loss challenge
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=121820&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=challenge

super gitano jondo duende fuego challenge
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=150546&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=challenge&tmode=&smode=&s=#150549

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 20:11:32

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hey, I play that solea, too ;-)
Thanks for all the links!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 21:58:37

villain

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Jason's intermediate challenge sounded awesome. tough (for me anyway) but fun.
Is that what y'all are putting down next - intermediate? Let's do it! :-)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 0:55:31

kozz

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

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weight loss challenge
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=121820&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=challenge

LOL

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 8:19:13

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

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Is that what y'all are putting down next - intermediate? Let's do it! :-)

there's going to be an intermediate challenge with one of jose tanaka's video lessons. winner gets one month access to his site. same deal as the next beginners challenge.
are you going to do both?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 20:41:31

villain

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

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are you going to do both?

Provided you let me - yeah, probably so :-)
when are the intermediate challenge details getting posted?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 21:05:26

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Do You already know which palo will be part of the beginners challenge?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 21:19:55

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

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Provided you let me - yeah, probably so :-)
when are the intermediate challenge details getting posted?

as long as you're a member here and you're not trying to pick some low hanging apples, you are good to go!

here's the intermediate thread so far
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=151147&p=1&mpage=3&tmode=1&smode=1

quote:

Do You already know which palo will be part of the beginners challenge?

jose said he might write something special for you guys.

he said he's thinking about libre, which will be very interesting.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 21:37:54

villain

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

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as long as you're a member here and you're not trying to pick some low hanging apples, you are good to go!

lol..no worries there I don't think - check my entry to the buleria falsetta in missionary position, it largely sucked monkey nuts...and my late entry to the Tangos beginner challenge (nobody scored me, but perhaps they are just sparing me :-)), I doubt I would have placed top 5 or so even there.

I'm just game for the challenge and figure if the intermediate has enough time to learn it and its anywhere within the realm of something I think I could get close to learning, I am willing to submit and at least be on the low end of the curve...if it's painful to listen to, I will certainly spare the judges ears, but if I can put together something that isn't awful, I would love to try.

(i'll check that thread. i had been looking under the 'challenges' header...is that where it ends up once everything is official?)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2010 22:04:29

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

libre?
Never heard before and i can't find something informative on the net about it, so what is this?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2010 12:39:39

Elie

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

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libre?
Never heard before and i can't find something informative on the net about it, so what is this?

toque libre .. (as far as I know) means the palos that aren't tided by the tempo or rhythmic structure you just feel the music and phrase it the way you like. you express it the way you feel it=>(like Rondena) and that's makes it personal i.e every musician plays it the way he/she feels

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2010 15:03:00

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

A kind of "freestyle?"
So is this a guitar-only palo or are there dancers, too?
Anyway, sounds very interessting...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2010 15:43:59

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

i think of free palos as guitar oriented ones, but actually many dancers like to use them...rondena, granaína, taranta, minera...but not only these can be interpreted freely or with a very loose compás, you hear seguiriyas, soleares, tientos, fandangos, malaguenas played freely too...
if you play these it helps enormously with the feeling i believe, because without the proper expression these simply sound like s-hit...so they're an important part of your development imo...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2010 16:43:14

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

What criterias will be used in the beginners challenge to decide what is well played, if i have the freedom to play like fell like (leave out notes or add some, change tempo etc.) ?
doesn't it all belong to the personal taste of the judge then?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2010 17:05:37

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Anything new about this one?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2010 19:30:53

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

you should read the judges' comments in the previous challenges as tastes do vary...i can only speak for myself, to me the most important things are tone and compás...i can overlook the leaving out of notes, changing sections but only if i can see a valid reason for them...things can be more difficult to some beginners and easier for others...also, your playing may be technically inferior to others' but if you still create a good aire you will score higher...
nothing's set into stone, and you mustn't think about the criterias, you shouldn't want to learn it for us, but you must do the best that you can...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2010 22:51:01

Schalli

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

It's a while ago someone wrote something about the next Beginners Challenge. Is there any chance it will start soon?
And what about the palo? I'd like to learn something about Malaguenas, so if there are more people interested, maybe we could play something in that palo?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 31 2011 12:47:24

Ron.M

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

That sounds good, Schalli...

We've never had a free-form palo as a challenge.

OK who wants to be the Challenge Administrator on this one?

Let's get going...

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 31 2011 19:23:09