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Ramon Amira
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 RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to Stoney)
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No one here has yet addressed my question – if he's faking being Spanish – why? There have been flamenco guitarists who were not Spanish, and didn't feel any need or see any reason to make believe to the public that they were. And there have been flamenco guitar instruction books written by non-Spaniards who didn't feel that need either. Why go through all that – as I called it – rigamarole. Which brings us to the accent. Anyone who hasn't seriously tried it professionally may not appreciate how difficult it is to do well. You can't just say "Okay, now I am going to start using a Spanish accent" and Presto! you've got a great Spanish accent. It's like learning flamenco guitar – in order to do it really well, you have to both study it and practice it. Frequently with a teacher, incidentally, as well as study and practice on your own. And to do it really well takes a great deal of study and practice. There is a large number of very specific nuances of an accent that have to be learned. And moreover each accent has it's own. If you study the subject, you will see that native speakers of any language almost always all have the same accent when speaking English. A Cuban accent is not the same as a Mexican accent, and neither one is the same as a Spanish accent, though to the average person they all may sound "Spanish." So to do it well entails an enormous amount of time and effort. The point of all this leads back to my original question, "Why on earth go through all that?" Does anyone suppose that he figured his flamenco guitar playing would sound better to the public if they thought he was Spanish? - or he thought that more people would buy his well received instructional materials just because they thought they had been written by a Spaniard? – and that he went through all that just for the dubious slight advantage that might confer. Maybe – but it seems outlandish that anyone who can play as well as he does, and who can create excellent instructional books and videos would feel the need to perpetrate some kind of colossal hoax for no discernible reason.
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Date Dec. 16 2009 13:01:50
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henrym3483
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From: Limerick,Ireland
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to John O.)
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That's God with a capital G, please be respectful...
I cant listen to God sometimes, listening to him makes me depressed sometimes
simply because listening to him reminds me that there is little chance of me being able to play that material.
then theres other times i do listen, and think he's Paco, im harry and thats ok.
i hate listening to his music and analyzing the hell out of it. talk about a God complex.
listening to canizares i find mind-warping but a good type of mind warping, its like listening to hendrix the first time.
the artists i get the most satisfaction out of listening to in no particuliar order would be tomatito, gerardo nunez, vicente amigo, cepero, moraito, Sabicas, chicuelo.
re strunz and farah and otmar, i find them quite boring
gypsy kings rock and is good feeltime music.
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Date Dec. 16 2009 14:17:58
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Stu
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From: London (the South of it), England
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to henrym3483)
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I cant listen to God sometimes, listening to him makes me depressed sometimes
simply because listening to him reminds me that there is little chance of me being able to play that material.
then theres other times i do listen, and think he's Paco, im harry and thats ok.
i hate listening to his music and analyzing the hell out of it. talk about a God complex.
listening to canizares i find mind-warping but a good type of mind warping, its like listening to hendrix the first time.
the artists i get the most satisfaction out of listening to in no particuliar order would be tomatito, gerardo nunez, vicente amigo, cepero, moraito, Sabicas, chicuelo.
re strunz and farah and otmar, i find them quite boring
gypsy kings rock and is good feeltime music.
Henry can I use your post as my answer???? its exactly what I would've put anyway....except the Canizares bit. I haven't listened to much from him, but seeing as all our other taste match I willl now! 
As for Juan.... well I see you didn't say anything about him! probably a clever move...
I liked his teaching material but dont really even think about him to have an opinion....But It seems he may have gained loads of cred if he pretended to be english and played flamenco? no?
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Date Dec. 16 2009 14:32:51
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to John O.)
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ORIGINAL: John O.
because he had such a clear, linear way of composing. Often you can play a picado slower, leave a few notes out, change a compás.
that also reminds me on Vicente!
sometimes he just totally improvises and changes everything , leaves out notes (or adds some ;-), during a concert....really sometimes i think he doesn't even know himself what he is going to play in the next seconds....but it all sounds perfect and so relaxed !
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Also, for me, Paco is the greatest source of ideas for new falsetas, traditional or modern. The only source that comes close for me is Chicuelo.
also here , don't forget Vicente!
a gold mine for ideas and falsetas to play around with and change them, improvise , make something new out of them. etc
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Date Dec. 16 2009 16:00:22
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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Prom critic, I can personally say, it is a common thing for folks to fake where they are from. Regarding spain, for most people, it is a pride thing. Like I know tons of people from latin american countries that try to put on a fake spain accent to cover the their mexican roots or whatever, claiming some relative from spain....that it is in the blood. It is truly a BIG deal to some people. And as one can imagine, being serious about flamenco, the cultural aspects of being spanish, or even Gitano, are even more important. I have met many professional artists who claim to be gitano when they have no gypsy blood, and have met others that fake an accent from andalucia when they are from a northern part, etc etc.... the REASONS why someone like Juan martin and his market machine would want to do something like that too, is obvious to me.
having said all that, I choose not to admit my feelings about if or if not JM is true cien por cientos andaluz or not. I have heard him play and that is enough for me. I feel that guitar players do have an accent. That is all about how you can pick up on say Jerez style different from players from Granada say. It is an "accent" on the playing, same as speaking or singing. It can also be "faked" once you can recognize what the details are.
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Date Dec. 16 2009 20:38:39
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But these jazzy bloopers he started publishing lately.... are not my taste.. :./ 
