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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)
Sounds nice on better speakers, listening on the phone does not do her justice.
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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy, doesn't have to be fast, should have some meat on the bones, can be raw or well done, as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.
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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)
That guitar could be your defining piece in the future. You should do some more of those. One thing I thought about is if a Luthier could use the verbal description of El Planeta’s guitar (it is quite detailed), called a “vihuela”, (found in Estebanez Calderon) though we know it was a Pages guitar or something, and build one to market to flamenco aficionados. Maybe it comes with a bullfighter jacket and hat or something.
RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
That guitar could be your defining piece in the future. You should do some more of those. One thing I thought about is if a Luthier could use the verbal description of El Planeta’s guitar (it is quite detailed), called a “vihuela”, (found in Estebanez Calderon) though we know it was a Pages guitar or something, and build one to market to flamenco aficionados. Maybe it comes with a bullfighter jacket and hat or something.
I didn’t know this video was made until it was online for a month. This is from Muse guitar shop in Nagoya. Do you have a link to the text you referenced?
My gimmick is in addition to a suit of lights, a forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar.
RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)
“…forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar“
On black velvet, asking for a friend?
HR
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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy, doesn't have to be fast, should have some meat on the bones, can be raw or well done, as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.
RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Here is a photo of the same maker as described (José or Joseph Martinez).
These are transitional instruments with 12 strings before the settlement to 6 strings. They occupy a small span of time between baroque reentrant tuning and standard modern 6 string tuning. It’s curious because since they have 12 strings they get labeled Vihuela.
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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)
A paper label is inserted inside the instrument which reads: Joseph de Frías was born in Seville. Year of 1777. De Frías was one of the most prestigious guitar masters of the 18th century in Spain who had a workshop in Seville, where works dated between 1775 and 1801 came from. It was built for the Spanish Queen of the time and sits in my local museum.
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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)
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It’s curious because since they have 12 strings they get labeled Vihuela.
I would further offer up a little conjecture that the Gitanos like Planeta (ie, they had a job and some cash, and could get a hold of such an instrument), being musically illiterate (oral traditions), might have tuned these instruments as the vihuela was tuned, as well, in order to play their traditional Flemish music on, as their elders had learned it. Perhaps for certain pieces only…like Rondeña? Or maybe as the trend moved to 6 strings, they started using guitar proper tuning more and the vihuela tuning “almost” dies out.
RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)
Huge market on these Parlour/Romantic european guitars... lot of people searching restour and then flipping .... on other hand some people search just to enjoy playing and some flip it later. The price is on continuous rising from some years ago till now.
Theres a Canadian pro classical player that have a huge collection and does this , restoures plays and then flip.
RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata
Huge market on these Parlour/Romantic european guitars... lot of people searching restour and then flipping .... on other hand some people search just to enjoy playing and some flip it later. The price is on continuous rising from some years ago till now.
Theres a Canadian pro classical player that have a huge collection and does this , restoures plays and then flip.
I know David, I’ve corresponded with him about his Arias guitar. He’s a great player and I appreciate his dedication to mostly 19th century guitars. He’s also a comedian, but better at guitar playing. I think he has a doctorate degree in music history.
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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)
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But I realize this isn’t what flamenco guitarists are looking for and this guitar was really aimed at the classical musicians who play period instruments. This guitar is focused toward 19th century Spanish music including flamenco but also all the other guitar composers who were not straight flamenco.
It’s significantly different than a contemporary flamenco guitar, but it’s still the same animal family. You could accompany cante’ with this little beastie boy, but our big modern hands might find the higher fret positions cramped.
I was excited to see this one back on the market and pulled the trigger on it for Christmas. Everything said above I found to be quite the contrary, the feel is fabulous up high, and after some days I can't even understand why flamenco guitar players did not want to continue with this size, due to projection and balance and comfort. It is one of the BEST sounding and playing flamenco guitars I now own. Love the looks too. Good job Banana!!!
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