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ernandez R -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 6 2023 1:59:47)
Sounds nice on better speakers, listening on the phone does not do her justice.

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 6 2023 11:51:53)
That guitar could be your defining piece in the future. You should do some more of those. One thing I thought about is if a Luthier could use the verbal description of El Planeta’s guitar (it is quite detailed), called a “vihuela”, (found in Estebanez Calderon) though we know it was a Pages guitar or something, and build one to market to flamenco aficionados. Maybe it comes with a bullfighter jacket and hat or something.

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 6 2023 14:30:09)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricardo That guitar could be your defining piece in the future. You should do some more of those. One thing I thought about is if a Luthier could use the verbal description of El Planeta’s guitar (it is quite detailed), called a “vihuela”, (found in Estebanez Calderon) though we know it was a Pages guitar or something, and build one to market to flamenco aficionados. Maybe it comes with a bullfighter jacket and hat or something. I didn’t know this video was made until it was online for a month. This is from Muse guitar shop in Nagoya. Do you have a link to the text you referenced? My gimmick is in addition to a suit of lights, a forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar.

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 6 2023 17:30:37)
https://archive.org/details/escenasandaluzas00estb/page/268/mode/2up?q=Vihuela Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 7 2023 12:14:26)
Here is a photo of the same maker as described (José or Joseph Martinez). Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

ernandez R -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 7 2023 19:56:17)
“…forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar“ On black velvet, asking for a friend? HR

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 8 2023 4:53:30)
quote: ORIGINAL: ernandez R “…forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar“ On black velvet, asking for a friend? HR Black velvet is available

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 8 2023 4:56:26)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricardo Here is a photo of the same maker as described (José or Joseph Martinez). These are transitional instruments with 12 strings before the settlement to 6 strings. They occupy a small span of time between baroque reentrant tuning and standard modern 6 string tuning. It’s curious because since they have 12 strings they get labeled Vihuela. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Joan Maher -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 8 2023 10:04:01)
A paper label is inserted inside the instrument which reads: Joseph de Frías was born in Seville. Year of 1777. De Frías was one of the most prestigious guitar masters of the 18th century in Spain who had a workshop in Seville, where works dated between 1775 and 1801 came from. It was built for the Spanish Queen of the time and sits in my local museum.

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 8 2023 12:03:38)
quote: It’s curious because since they have 12 strings they get labeled Vihuela. I would further offer up a little conjecture that the Gitanos like Planeta (ie, they had a job and some cash, and could get a hold of such an instrument), being musically illiterate (oral traditions), might have tuned these instruments as the vihuela was tuned, as well, in order to play their traditional Flemish music on, as their elders had learned it. Perhaps for certain pieces only…like Rondeña? Or maybe as the trend moved to 6 strings, they started using guitar proper tuning more and the vihuela tuning “almost” dies out.[8D]

Manitas de Lata -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 8 2023 14:47:34)
Huge market on these Parlour/Romantic european guitars... lot of people searching restour and then flipping .... on other hand some people search just to enjoy playing and some flip it later. The price is on continuous rising from some years ago till now. Theres a Canadian pro classical player that have a huge collection and does this , restoures plays and then flip. Found the guy , David Jacques https://www.facebook.com/davidjacquesguitare

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 9 2023 8:34:23)
quote: ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata Huge market on these Parlour/Romantic european guitars... lot of people searching restour and then flipping .... on other hand some people search just to enjoy playing and some flip it later. The price is on continuous rising from some years ago till now. Theres a Canadian pro classical player that have a huge collection and does this , restoures plays and then flip. Found the guy , David Jacques https://www.facebook.com/davidjacquesguitare I know David, I’ve corresponded with him about his Arias guitar. He’s a great player and I appreciate his dedication to mostly 19th century guitars. He’s also a comedian, but better at guitar playing. I think he has a doctorate degree in music history.

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 20 2025 15:31:50)
quote: But I realize this isn’t what flamenco guitarists are looking for and this guitar was really aimed at the classical musicians who play period instruments. This guitar is focused toward 19th century Spanish music including flamenco but also all the other guitar composers who were not straight flamenco. It’s significantly different than a contemporary flamenco guitar, but it’s still the same animal family. You could accompany cante’ with this little beastie boy, but our big modern hands might find the higher fret positions cramped. I was excited to see this one back on the market and pulled the trigger on it for Christmas. Everything said above I found to be quite the contrary, the feel is fabulous up high, and after some days I can't even understand why flamenco guitar players did not want to continue with this size, due to projection and balance and comfort. It is one of the BEST sounding and playing flamenco guitars I now own. Love the looks too. Good job Banana!!!

silddx -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 20 2025 17:29:08)
Hey that is super cool! I really liked the look of it during the build. Great to hear it played by you.

orsonw -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 20 2025 17:54:05)
Congratulations on your new guitar. Sounds great. I remember admiring its looks when Stephen was building it earlier in this thread.

eccullen -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 20 2025 22:51:21)
Very cool, good job nabbing this one! If I'd seen it back on the market I would've too.

rombsix -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 21 2025 3:20:47)
Aguaaaaaaaaa!

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 21 2025 12:16:30)
quote: ORIGINAL: eccullen Very cool, good job nabbing this one! If I'd seen it back on the market I would've too. Do you want one now? Uncle Steve can fix you up quick!

mecmachin -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 22 2025 18:11:33)
very cute. what kind of material is the golpeador made of? I am asking myself what to use for my V. Tatay if one day I get finished ...

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 23 2025 2:07:13)
quote: ORIGINAL: mecmachin very cute. what kind of material is the golpeador made of? I am asking myself what to use for my V. Tatay if one day I get finished ... It’s maple veneer about .40 mm thick and Ricardo put some self stick Mylar over that. You’re repair project guitar doesn't need a wood tap plate, the reason I used wood is to keep with the period style from the mid 19th century when thin hardwood was used to protect the top.

Estevan -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 29 2025 3:58:29)
From the start I liked the idea of that guitar, and the look of it as it took shape, and now...it sounds great, too. Banana-san jouzu desu ne!

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Dec. 31 2025 16:44:15)
quote: It’s maple veneer about .40 mm thick and Ricardo put some self stick Mylar over that. The golpe tone has a delicious pop to it, all materials at play I assume. That video I put up has more positive comments about the sound than any video I have ever loaded up (even the ones I recorded at Toddk studio). One guy confused about the high capo thinking the guitar is tuned differently, I had to explain I was pointing out the ease of playing high position falsetas (a constant problem of accompanists of baile). Only one semi negative comment was a sarcastic affirmation I assume was regarding my "modern" style playing not being representative of true 19th century style playing...however, I hope to one day recreate some of the Ocón note for note transcriptions with a cantaor to demonstrate that what I am seeing on paper there ain't that different than early recordings of flamenco and what we still do since Montoya's era.

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 1 2026 0:36:52)
Jorge Pardo likes us! Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Ricardo -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 1 2026 19:05:12)
I think PRADO is a different guy?

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 4 2026 1:09:10)
Ohhh haha that’s embarrassing. Maybe Pardo is dyslexic?

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 4 2026 1:11:06)
I started another 19th century spirit guitar yesterday by inlaying this nifty rosette. I’ll post it as it goes. It’s a commission from a Foro member, so it’s already taken. If you would like one contact me via my spaceship intercom or email. Get a 19th century guitar so you can do historically informed performance time travel like Ricardo. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

estebanana -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 4 2026 2:36:19)
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RobF -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 4 2026 3:28:50)
That rosette really pops. Nice. 👍

ernandez R -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 4 2026 3:29:48)
Wow, that’s next level for sure, vary nice! I like how all the colored elements look like they’re floating and kind of a black abyss, mean I don’t mean it like that ha ha ha ha… HR O/T: trying to thumb this into my phone only my pulgar nail is damn near biblical in length and quality so causing issues, all the while I’m coughing my lungs inside out. I’ve been trying to recreate my late grandmothers flour tortillas that she made up before breakfast every morning for decades, I just reached six decades myself, and I still haven’t figured it out, one thing I’m sure of: it involves a little bit of blue smoke and my lungs do not ****ing like it. Cough, cough, cough..

Fawkes -> RE: 19th century spirit guitar (Jan. 4 2026 5:19:13)
That is ridiculous, that you take such basic means and get so much impact and exuberant rightness out of it. I can't find the right words yet but that rosette is very strong and makes me smile.

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