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RE: Conde Questions
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mark indigo
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sheeeesh! i hadn't read this thread before, and i just read it thru' from beginning to end.... it reads like a murder mystery, but we still don't know "whodunnit" and i'm wondering if the butler makes them....
i'm still really confused as to which business is which, but if there are no living "Conde brothers" (or Brothers Conde), then ALL the guitars must be outsourced and made by someone else....?
there are 2 websites, http://www.hermanosconde.com/ (at Gravina 7) and http://www.condehermanos.com/ (at Feliep V), but i'm not sure which family member/s are involved in which? and who is at Atocha?
I guess if you have 3 businesses, all called "Conde", and they all outsource their guitars to other makers, and noone but the most secretive insiders know who makes what for who, then all anyone has to rely on is ear and feel.... and they can make a packet selling the dogs to wealthy amateur beginners...  
btw i found this on GSI site:
The Conde dynasty was founded by Domingo Esteso (1882-1937), who established his own shop in 1915 after building guitars in the esteemed Manuel Ramirez workshop. After his death in 1937, his widow and nephews (Faustino and Mariano Conde) carried on the tradition. Although Esteso's widow passed away in 1959, Faustino and Mariano continued building until the late 80s. Today the tradition is still carried on by Esteso's great-nephews - Mariano, Jr. and Felipe Conde - in the workshop at Felipe, V, in Madrid.
and no mention of Gravina, Atocha, or Julio Conde? anyone?
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Date Apr. 22 2009 9:00:10
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Ricardo
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RE: Conde Questions (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Checked em out again in the dark room. The sanchis was darn close to the barbero style bracing up top of this page (plan 42), and yeah super thin. The sobrinos was almost identical to the 97 conde, bracing and thicknesses. Only minor difference was of the 5 parallel braces, numbers 2 and 4 are extended on the modern conde, and go all the way up along side the soundhole. Other than that, they are the exact same plan. So this plan is as old at least as 73, and the two guitar tops were about the same thickness based on translucency.
for anyone who still cares, I checked out a 71 Sobrinos bracing....it was NOT the parallel braces design as the 73, it was more like the Barbero design like Robj showed earlier. Perhaps not coincidentally, the 71 has more power in the Bass register than the 73. The result is what seems a bit louder sound, but not as bright and clear voiced. Perhaps in these years (71-73) experimenting was going on?
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Date Apr. 23 2009 7:58:18
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Erik van Goch
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RE: Conde Questions (in reply to Ricardo)
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So i might indeed feel very uncomfortable when i start to play my experimental close string setup...i guess there's only one way to find out :-)
well, no there is another way to find out which is safer than altering your nice guitar's set up. First try it out on a skinny guitar and decide if it is truly what you want....
When i mentioned there is only one way to find out i simply mend i have to try it out on an actual guitar". In fact that isn't 100% correct either since in the 50ties my father invented a arpeggio exerciser, a small piece of wood with a bridge, 6 short strings and 6 tuning pegs imitating the stringed front of a guitar between the bridge and the sound hole. For the right hand it feels and plays like a "real guitar" but being "mute" and only as big as a fold up newspaper it can be played anywhere anytime. My father used it to do right hand exercises whenever a real guitar was not an option (like in a car... if you don't have to share the backseat places you can also play on a real guitar but if you have to share it with others and lack the room to hold a guitar you can probably still play that arpeggio board). I saw one for sale on the interned recently, commercially offered by a spanish guitarist who happened to be the sparing partner of my father back than in the 50ties......wonder were he got his inspiration :-)
Like i said i hope to try it out with a "string directing" bridge bone first if possible. My present day bridge bone is completely worn out and have to be replaced anyhow. Ultimately i have to correct the bridge's string hole positions as well (one way or the other) since they are slightly out of balance as they are.
10,2>9,8>9,8>10,2>10,2 (fictional figures)
I tent to favor it's present day smaller 9,8 gaps over it's present day bigger 10,2 gaps. I can middle the difference and go for the save 10>10>10>10>10 or i can try the more daring 9,8>9,8>9,8>9,8>9,8.
Obviously i will experiment a little bit before making a more permanent choice.
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Date Nov. 21 2012 16:18:42
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Morante
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RE: Conde Questions (in reply to Ricardo)
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I have played old guitars such as Santos, Manuel Ramirez etc. and I believe that many modern guitars are better in every way.
The truly great guitarreros of the modern era have been Archangel, Gerundino, Faustino and Reyes
Times have changed, flamenco has changed. What is needed nowadays is the Fender Telecaster of flamenco. The Tele is not a PRS or a Vigier, it is a workhorse for every situation. You can buy an "improved" boutique style Tele, but will find it very hard to sell on.
The basic Tele, in flamenco term, is a Conde.
Nobody should run down Condes, because they are a professional´s workhorse: there are guitars which are better in many ways, but of limited appeal.
And there is an enormous difference between playing professionally and playing in your bedroom.
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