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RE: Does understanding letra help guitarists?
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srshea
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RE: Does understanding letra help gu... (in reply to machopicasso)
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I’ve never seen a satisfyingly complete late 60s/early 70s PdL accompaniment discography, which is too bad because there’re lots of recordings, and that’s all my favorite stuff, and I’m sure I’m missing out on certain titles. Whenever I listen to the playing on those records I always feel like I’m being reminded “Ah, that’s a textbook example of what this stuff is supposed to sound like.” Both Barbate LPs were from ’71. He played for Lebrijano in 1970, an unlikely but cool pairing (I think Paco and Ricardo also recorded with Lebrijano the year previous, but I don’t have that one). Full LPs with Juan de la Vara, Nina de la Puebla, Enrique Montoya, Naranjito de Triana, among the others mentioned here. I’m sure there are more, not to mention songs scattered here and there on EPs, and probably some uncredited, undated appearances from the days when they didn’t bother putting that stuff on the label. Aside from the early Camaron records, it’s hard to beat the Fosforito and Maria Vargas material.
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Date Sep. 9 2012 1:23:40
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dararith
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From: Oakland, CA
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RE: Does understanding letra help gu... (in reply to Ricardo)
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I came across a great post of Richard Ogilby from some years back where he remembers a quote of Paco de Lucia regarding cante accompaniment, that he did not even pay attention to lyrics the first 10 years he accompanied. Later the lyrics became his main focus when playing. That gives me hope! I'm already having a hard time keeping up with the phrasing, cues, tonal changes, aire, all while I'm tapping my foot in a regular interval to maintain some sanity in compas...on top of all of this, understanding the depths of the lyrics could be the straw that broke the camel's back. In the end, all of these factors are important and can only help a person improve, but depending on where our strengths/weaknesses are, we may need to focus on other things before we can tackle on the poetic analysis of each letra -- and for me, staying in compas comes first. quote:
Aside from the early Camaron records, it’s hard to beat the Fosforito and Maria Vargas material. I agree. That Fosforito album is pretty damn badass.
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Date Sep. 10 2012 3:39:11
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zata
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RE: Does understanding letra help gu... (in reply to faustoitur)
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The short answer to this thread's title is, understanding letras does not *help* guitarists any more than breathing in and out *helps* us stay alive. It is an absolute necessity. There's no other reliable way to distinguish 3-line verses from 4-line ones, which in turn broadcasts the arrival of the "cambio" portion (in soleá, bulerías, tangos family, etc.). Raise your hand everyone who ever jumped the gun or came in late with a cambio...it's a mistake even beginning Spaniards rarely make because they can't avoid listening to the verse. In siguiriyas, which doesn't use octosyllabic lines, it's also helpful to take note of the verse because they tend to be traditional ones, so certain key words act as road markers letting you know where you are at any given moment. The good news is you don't necessarily need to understand the words, but rather wreck a nice them . More good news for the language-challenged: the fandango family, which includes many palos and many hundreds of verses can be accompanied without paying attention to the verse since the sung format (repeats, waits, etc) doesn't really vary.
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