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Shawn Brock
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 RE: Navarro Conde! (in reply to Kalo)
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ORIGINAL: Kalo
The TRUE facts are stated!
Yet there are some people on this forum who still want to believe that this deal was a SCAM!
I guess to each their own 
Kalo, I think all Keith was saying is that he questioned the validity of it because Francisco hadn't made any guitars like this that anyone here was aware of... Not trying to pick a fight or anything. Or at least I never have thought so. :)
On the subject of fake labels... I know that it still goes on, and yes even at the $1000 price point. Its easier to pay $150 for a Chinese guitar, slap a good label on it and sell it for $1000 than it is to sell a fake for $2000/3000... More people are willing to gamble at the $1000 price point, and normally you are also dealing with buyers who don't know as much about guitars. They are folks who are just starting out, players who aren't that serious, or they are smarter than all of us who spend way to much money on guitars. LOL
I knew the Navarro was being sold by Ron Hudson, (or at least I was 99 percent sure), so I knew it would be what he said it was. That's just the way Ron does business. He's always up front about what he has, and seems to always have good prices... But that don't mean that people aren't faking $1000 guitars... I would go for bigger money myself if I was in the faking business, but that's just me I guess... Not everyone is like me, and maybe that's the reason they have more money than me. :)
So after all is said and done, did you buy the guitar Kalo, or know the buyer? I would like to hear the observations about its sound if anyone here plays it. I'm sure its a good guitar as Navarros usually are. You just can't do better for $1000...
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Date Jul. 15 2012 7:18:51
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Navarro Conde! (in reply to HolyEvil)
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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
Being honest, I can see the point of making a true conde copy.. like reyes copy, santos replica etc..
BUT making a student guitar with the headstock of a conde is kinda silly.
Not arguing, just keeping the topic going for better or worse...
Navarro's student guitars aren't really student guitars, at least they aren't what a lot of peoples opinions of student guitars is anyhow. I hate rosewood fretboards, so for me that was one of the biggest things I didn't like about this guitar. I mean hey, its a Conde copy with the trademark Conde finish, so that means its at least as much of a Conde, (and probably more) than the student Condes are.
What surprises me is that Kalo would go for the orange finish! I thought she didn't dig that look... Nothing wrong with an orange finish to me, but I know that's a matter of taste. :) I have been trying to decide if I will go with the orange finish on my new blanca that I'm on the list for, and still haven't made up my mind. I may do it, go ahead and join the planet of the orange guitar.
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Date Jul. 16 2012 1:58:58
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Kalo
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RE: Navarro Conde! (in reply to Alonte)
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What surprises me is that Kalo would go for the orange finish! I thought she didn't dig that look... Nothing wrong with an orange finish to me, but I know that's a matter of taste. :) I have been trying to decide if I will go with the orange finish on my new blanca that I'm on the list for, and still haven't made up my mind. I may do it, go ahead and join the planet of the orange guitar.
Hey Shawn,
You know after viewing the guitar! And getting a GREAT price I started realizing that the orange color wasn't so bad after all!
Also what appealed to me about this Navarro Conde (student) was that the bracing is that of a Conde. It's something different then my last Navarro and as stated because the price was right, I couldn't pass it up.
Now is Navarro Conde going to sound like a Conde? Well, I am not holding my breath Even though the bracing is Conde, well, the wood isn't it is still the same cypress Navarro uses on his Student models. However, it's a Navarro and I am sure it will be cool!
I was told that this guitar is in between a student and concert? Meaning, it is built with the visual grade of wood that is used in a student model, but with the personal attention of Navarro himself that goes with a concert model. Conde Style bracing as well as the media luna headstock and orange conde finish
I am not sure if this was just a "sales pitch", but, ya know at the price I received this guitar, it didn't much matter to me...
The Dealer is legit, as I dealt with him before and I researched everything carefully before buying it.
I really wanted an Andy Culpepper guitar soooooo badly!!!!! But, I was laid off of my job and then rehired part time! That totally blew my chances of ordering from Andy!
I have no guitar at the moment. My Takamine CP 132 is in the shop being repaired. Minor repair as the "pick up jack" needs replacing. I was advise by my luthier not to lower the bridge if I wanted to use the pick up..
I didn't want to mess with it and as soon as it is fix I will sell it...
In the meantime Navarro Flamenco Guitar will be arriving hopefully Tuesday...
Kalo
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Date Jul. 16 2012 2:53:12
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Navarro Conde! (in reply to Kalo)
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ORIGINAL: Kalo
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What surprises me is that Kalo would go for the orange finish! I thought she didn't dig that look... Nothing wrong with an orange finish to me, but I know that's a matter of taste. :) I have been trying to decide if I will go with the orange finish on my new blanca that I'm on the list for, and still haven't made up my mind. I may do it, go ahead and join the planet of the orange guitar.
Hey Shawn,
You know after viewing the guitar! And getting a GREAT price I started realizing that the orange color wasn't so bad after all!
In the meantime Navarro Flamenco Guitar will be arriving hopefully Tuesday...
Kalo
That's great Kalo and my best guess is that you will be damn happy with the guitar. Orange don't have to be someone's favorite color on a guitar, but who can't say that its not cool? I have yet to own an orange flamenco, and I have always kind of liked them. Now lets talk Keith into an orange ax...
Having owned a Navarro before I'm sure you know what to expect from his craftsmanship. Its just down-right good and clean. If I were to make a prediction about this guitar over the student guitar you use to have, I would say that you'll probably get more volume and notice more presents in the bass. I could be completely wrong on that, but either way I would sure love to hear your thoughts on the guitar after you play it for a few hours. Maybe you'll even do a video with it at some point?
I'm also guessing that this may be grounds for another Navarro model. The look of these is cool and though Condes aren't for everyone, there are plenty of us who love, respect and drool over a lot of Conde guitars. I would like to see Francisco offer more guitars like this in the future. I think the student model Navarro is great, but this is a cut above that.
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Date Jul. 16 2012 3:58:02
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Kalo
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RE: Navarro Conde! (in reply to Alonte)
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Olé! We need videos as soon as it arrives!
Hey Ramzi, for sure, I will do some videos! I am going to try and break it in first
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Having owned a Navarro before I'm sure you know what to expect from his craftsmanship. Its just down-right good and clean. If I were to make a prediction about this guitar over the student guitar you use to have, I would say that you'll probably get more volume and notice more presents in the bass. I could be completely wrong on that, but either way I would sure love to hear your thoughts on the guitar after you play it for a few hours. Maybe you'll even do a video with it at some point?
Hi Shawn,
Your totally right regarding Navarro guitars! For the money and being under a $1000.00 a Navarro can't be beat for quality and sound. And exacty what you stated is what I am hoping for! A Conde bracing might give a different color in sound. That is what really made me want to give it a try...And, yes, maybe it won't sound Conde, but, it sound like a GREAT student Navarro, either way, I 'll be happy with it...
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That's great Kalo and my best guess is that you will be damn happy with the guitar. Orange don't have to be someone's favorite color on a guitar, but who can't say that its not cool? I have yet to own an orange flamenco, and I have always kind of liked them. Now lets talk Keith into an orange ax...
Seriously the orange color isn't bad at all. Yeah, maybe after Keith see this guitar he'll want an orange ax Its' all cool!
Kalo
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Date Jul. 16 2012 4:24:51
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Navarro Conde! (in reply to keith)
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ORIGINAL: keith
shawn--to follow your lead to explore the topic a little deeper, what exactly is the conde bracing pattern (i assume we are talking struts here)?
LOL Keith, is this the therapist side of you?
Your question brings up a great point to me. What Conde is this guitar a copy of? I know that the Brothers changed their bracing system somewhat over the years, so I wonder what plan Francisco followed for this one?
It also seems to me that normally Condes, (at least most I have played) have a little larger body than the Navarro guitars, (haven't played his Reyes model though). A friend has a Navarro grand concert and a Conde A-28, and I know the body of the Conde is larger between those 2 guitars. But also the scale is 14MM longer on the Conde as well...
@ Kalo, I can't say you have a fake Conde exactly. Like I said before, its a mystery now where most Condes are made. Obviously some are still made in Spain and I'm not disputing that. I have heard first hand though that some of the lower end models are made in China. I was told this by a CA luthier who has made trips to China to teach guitar making. Don't know if its true, I only know what he said and it makes for an interesting theory anyhow and lends support to the stories of many about Chinese Condes... So I guess my point is, if we don't know who makes all the Condes, and they aren't made by Conde, then how could there ever be a fake Conde? Just some deep thinking on my part...
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Date Jul. 17 2012 5:24:01
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