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HolyEvil

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Mariano Martin

In line with all videos posts lately,
He has been posted before.. but I think this is pretty new..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 25 2011 21:52:51

orsonw

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

Playing a Reyes from 1978 (According to the youtube text not the video titles)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 27 2012 21:07:17

rombsix

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to orsonw)

He's awesome.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 27 2012 21:43:33

Doitsujin

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

yeah the germans...like to clapddediclap...like monkeys..and never stop clappi clappi... lol !! (Im allowed to pull of that joke cos im german..and I like to clappppiii)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 27 2012 23:54:57

Munin

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

yeah the germans...like to clapddediclap...like monkeys..and never stop clappi clappi... lol !! (Im allowed to pull of that joke cos im german..and I like to clappppiii)

I read this before watching the vids and was half expecting the audience to clap along at some point

Considering how German audiences love to clap along at every occasion no matter how inappropriate..I wouldn't have put it beyond them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 1:26:09

rombsix

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

yeah the germans...like to clapddediclap...like monkeys..and never stop clappi clappi... lol !! (Im allowed to pull of that joke cos im german..and I like to clappppiii)

After he finished the piece, they only clapped for about 40 seconds. Is that too long by your standards?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 2:39:06

Doitsujin

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to rombsix)

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After he finished the piece, they only clapped for about 40 seconds. Is that too long by your standards?

Thats too short for German standards!!

Thats us!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 2:48:53

XXX

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

quote:

After he finished the piece, they only clapped for about 40 seconds. Is that too long by your standards?

Thats too short for German standards!!

Thats us!

anybody else was thinking doit was meaning the length of the shorts?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 17:26:06

Arash

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

yes he is good, but not that good.
imo Amir John is lot better

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 17:40:08

Elie

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

I second Arash

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 17:46:39

Doitsujin

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to XXX)

quote:

anybody else was thinking doit was meaning the length of the shorts?

hahahaha that was actually a good one!! xD

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 17:51:47

Ruphus

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to Arash)

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ORIGINAL: Arash

yes he is good, but not that good.
imo Amir John is lot better

Interesting.
I see the exact opposite.

In my eyes and ears Haddad is just out of upper amateur level and a bit too much into personal ways of less musical improvisation, while Martin is not only duende and in another league of control, but has a touch to the strings that grants him his individual niche in the player section.

IMO, Amir could definitly learn from him.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 20:25:53

Elie

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

hey Ruphus,
with all due respect ofcourse
I'm sure you've seen this before :

man in my opinion Amir's performance is superior to Mariano's , he's just more powerful and more enjoyable ... while Mariano's playing is somehow shy and too formal i would say

quote:

less musical improvisation

do you think that about that alegria they played above ?
I don't know but what I can see is that Amir's improvisation skills is way more creative than Mariano

cheers mate

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 20:50:27

Ruphus

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

I can´t access YT.

I was judging before all by the solo videos of Haddad.
In the duets with Martin he plays the best I have seen from him, especially with the oud.

If you won´t hear the musical difference take visual clues as indicator.
See how Haddad´s playing comes from the arms, while with Martin the music goes through and is generated by the entire body.
He is living rhythm and rounds up great harmonically.

Also note how his fingers are flipping off the strings.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2012 21:31:24

Arash

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

Ruphus,

Amir is both technically and musically light years ahead from Mariano.
I could compare Mariano with some of the intermediate players we have in the Foro.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 29 2012 8:36:42

Ruphus

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

Haddad must be having fans with you guys.

We have to agree to disagree on this matter.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2012 10:23:05

michel

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to Ruphus)

quote:

Haddad must be having fans with you guys.

We have to agree to disagree on this matter.

Ruphus

i agree with Ruphus

i didn't want to comment this thread because Mariano Martin was my teacher, i have very much respect for him an for his deep knowledge of flamenco. IMO he considers and enjoys flamenco as an art form that's not just limited to guitar show-off and he's not obsessed by technical guitar-gimmicks, his level as musician is far beyond, he's using his technique to serve the music. i like Amir's playing as well and he's a great guitar player too. the way both are compared and commented in this thread just seem disrespectful to me.... poor and shameless, sorry!
anyway thank you holy evil and orsonw for sharing

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2012 11:09:35

Munin

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to HolyEvil)

What exactly about what was said was "disrespectful"? Just saying that one is better than the other is disrespectful?

Anyway I also think Amir is the better player but the better player is only rarely the better teacher. So I am sure taking lessons with Martin would be great. His playing just seems a bit lifeless and conservative to me.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2012 11:55:56

HolyEvil

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RE: Mariano Martin (in reply to XXX)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Deniz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

quote:

After he finished the piece, they only clapped for about 40 seconds. Is that too long by your standards?

Thats too short for German standards!!

Thats us!

anybody else was thinking doit was meaning the length of the shorts?