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Any 'lasting value' cannot be measured in the present and the autopsy results were inconclusive.
The arguments are therefore hypothetical and so do not carry the weight of fact at the moment.
However, the ideas that an addict is solely responsible for their situation and that artistic value can only be really acknowledged after 30 years have passed, fly in the face of my own experience. So I have to disagree with them.
Nothing I have said would lead any reasonable person to think I asociate talent with the value of a human life. Life has value in and of itself, regardless of talent or lack thereof. If one chooses to engage in destructive behavior that leads to one's demise, that is one's choice, and it says something about how one views the value of one's own life. Life, in and of itself, is just as valuable in the case of Winehouse as it is in the case of Camaron. What I think you fail to grasp is that apart from how a person lives or dies, it is perfectly appropriate to have an opinion about that person's talent. It does not matter whether or not you or I think Camaron had talent, just as it does not matter whether or not you or I think Winehouse had talent. To suggest that commenting on a person's talent is to place a value on that person's life, as you have suggested I have done, is a total non-sequitur.
This thread was started so that we may say RIP to a fellow artist. Now let's take a look at your first post in this thread:
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The real irony, Ruphus, is that she was a part of, and representative of, our trivial culture. She created nothing lasting, nothing that future generations will consider worthy, and she alone was responsible for her lack of discipline that led to her demise. The Establishment's "upside-down values" (if I read you correctly) had nothing to do with Amy Winehouse's problems. She alone bears responsibility.
Of course this debate can go on forever but I think I've pretty much said my piece.
she alone was responsible for her lack of discipline that led to her demise
Gosh Bill that's so harsh. How can any of us judge what it was like to be in her shoes? I can scarcely imagine what pressures being famous must put on someone.
Amy did have a remarkable voice, whether or not you like her music.
The Norwegian tragedy is beyond words.
I'd just like a little more compassion in the world.
I just read that she was found in her bed, in the afternoon with no signs of drugs or drug paraphernalia around. She was playing the drums previous to going to bed, to the extent that the neighbors complained.
Very sad, I always liked her. And I think she has made a lasting contribution.
Of course this debate can go on forever but I think I've pretty much said my piece.
I agree. I think we have all had our say, and that is the great thing about the Foro. For the most part, we can disagree without being disagreeable. To continue the discussion would be to repeat ourselves and bore everyone. And yes, in the end, Amy Winehouse RIP.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white, With the name of the late deceased, And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here, Who tried to hustle the East."
Amy Winehouse is kinda touchy for me because I'm a friend of these kids dads and I help out with fixing guitars and being a roadie and helping out with gigs and videos. To me Amy Winehouse is about like these kids in the sense that she was young a had it all in front of her. I'm making a guitar for the blond guitarist she's my buddy. I'll bet you'll be seeing her on the big stage someday. This was made in 2009, Jasmine the guitarist shreds now.
In Shakespeare, when a tragedy ends, he always trots out the kids to signify the beginning of the future.
way.freakin.cool. - thanks for posting that. I just watched the Sophisticated Boom Boom video - seeing kids of that age paying such respect to 60s pop music gives me hope for the next generation and humanity in general
They play better now, they were 12 when they did the boom boom. They are 14 now and they just won the acoustic part of the battle of the bands at the Contemporary Jewish Museum in SF.
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