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RIP Amy Winehouse
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BarkellWH
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 RE: RIP Amy Winehouse (in reply to Ruphus)
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And the irony being that these kind of gems often end up like that, instead of gaining a long and healthy life and to enrich our trivial culture.
Their vitaes hardship must be just consequential to the establishment of turned upside-down values and concerns.
The real irony, Ruphus, is that she was a part of, and representative of, our trivial culture. She created nothing lasting, nothing that future generations will consider worthy, and she alone was responsible for her lack of discipline that led to her demise. The Establishment's "upside-down values" (if I read you correctly) had nothing to do with Amy Winehouse's problems. She alone bears responsibility.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Jul. 23 2011 22:13:38
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odinz
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From: Sarpsborg,Norway
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RE: RIP Amy Winehouse (in reply to Gimar Yestra)
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Thank you, Gimar, I guess we should say rest in peace to all of them, including Amy too.
I think it is hard to look at a person destroy him or herself, like Amy probably did.
My Mom works at an mental hospital, for affective disorders and drug addicts.
Its not as easy to all to just say no, or to just quit, because it is not only something that becomes a habit, but it becomes a big part of your life, like a supporting friend.
So i do not want to belittle her case either, it is unfortunate that she tried drugs that first time and got hooked.
The parallel is that both cases resulted in death.
Amy was just a person like everyone else, and someone must have loved her.
just wanted to say that, i did not want to belittle her death either, i am just frustrated and angry as hell now, i am sorry if i sound crude.
*just wanted to add that substance and drug abuse also is sort of genetically wired up, so its easier for some people to get hooked, and also that Amy must have had alot of stress in her life, sorry if i am getting totally out of hand here, i feel like throwing out all of my emotions at this time.*
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Date Jul. 23 2011 23:07:10
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odinz
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From: Sarpsborg,Norway
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RE: RIP Amy Winehouse (in reply to Escribano)
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I think it has been like this for all time, but we have been more accustomed to not seeing death and tragedy, taking the middle ages for example.
Like Andy said, this is a music forum, and music is one of the things that i think of as a force.
We as humans have allways had music for comfort, or any situation, emotion or whatnot.
For me atleast it is one of the things that help me drag through the world.
I am sorry for getting off topic here by the way, but as i said, i think it is sad about Amy, and i think like Escribano, that she would have alot more to give in music.
And i also think it is disgusting how masses of people just nurture out of news like this, she was a tired induvidual, she needed support instead of booing.
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Date Jul. 25 2011 12:26:32
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Ruphus
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RE: RIP Amy Winehouse (in reply to Escribano)
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With the exception of the Norway comparison, its is a pleasure to read your thoughts and see the beautiful depth in them.
Makes me fancy that we might be on a U-turn from the superficiality of the eighties and the cynism of the nineties.
"... she needed support instead of booing."
To this I´d like to add something.
Among the upside-down phenomenons there is the contradiction between mercylessness of unreal and inflated claims on the individual on the one hand, and on the other hand the contrasting forgiveness with all kinds of actual infringements against reason and joint on administrative level.
So, there we have the Barbie & Ken idol; the one of the perfectly looking, always eloquent, impressively moving, appropriately dressed and what not perfect example; artificially created by Hollywood and tried to be emulated in real life ... Blindly and relently requested by fellow pupils, colleagues, parents ... A surrounding often intending to overgo their own deviation from an apparent "norm".
And on the other hand the countering immunity of the upper Fourhundred and their hosts, who in contrast are allowed yet the most of dismissing, destructive and autocratic policy without being seriously questioned and charged.
In these times you can deliver tanks to despotes, intoxicate millions of people, or rob billions of their belongings and basic rights, but you won´t be tolerated with a no-name shirt or tilted teeth in your average situation.
Obviously there exists a substantial need to level out these two antagone shores of perception and interaction / turn things back to relation.
A demand to deal much more forgivenly and mildly with one another; appreciating individual abilities / granting imperfections and deviations as legit as they actually are.
And in balance, inspect much more closely and critical the actions of an immune autocrat caste.
In a 3rd-millenium culture of sense noone should come to the lost feeling Amy Winehouse and many more fine people must have gone through.
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How many of you have experienced those occasional nightmares of falling down from great hight, only to startle right before the clash?
A very common kind of dream, isn´t it.
White coats claim it would indicate the sense of lacking support.
I guess such a possible background won´t really surprise anyone in these sociologically frigid times.
Ruphus
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Date Jul. 25 2011 14:17:54
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