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MarTay6
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Hi, again-
O.K., I've made a decision to give this a thought... you all gave me so much encouragement- and this site has so much to offer, I've decided to order a Yamaha CG-171SF (there are still a few floating around out there I've discovered!) and give this a go.
While an experienced steel string fingerstyle player, I know my MAJOR issue is going to be right hand technique. Period. Not left hand, not rhythms, Right Hand Technique!
I am a visual learner, so am asking for recommendations for the best video/DVD learning resources out there for R/H technique. I learn well from video tutorials, and would like to ask which might be best for me? (Have to keep them in English, unfortunately!)
Advice, please? Thanks in advance.
Wes
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Date Jul. 16 2011 3:14:27
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RE: Advice requested from Newest Member! (in reply to MarTay6)
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not rhythms
you'd be surprised 
great to hear...read your previous post...
my recommendation would be to join some of these sites
jason mcguire flamenco-lessons.com
jose tanaka flamenco lessons.com
or if your also an aural learner
pedro cortes flamenco lessons...
these sites have been a continued wealth of inexhaustible resources...price of a set of strings and a 12pack of beer a month so no huge initial outlay....guess you need a bit of time in front of the computer and a good connection
plus there are forums there to discuss the lessons
all video based lessons with scores [except for pedro's]
best of luck
A
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Date Jul. 16 2011 7:16:43
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RE: Advice requested from Newest Member! (in reply to MarTay6)
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HA! I see what you mean (after looking at Jason McGuire!
i think the beginners material is good...not easy but manageable. certainly gets you practising!
starts with the techniques...exercises which are great, well explained- and may de mystify some right hand techniques that are unique to flamenco and what you are hearing in recordings and live performance.
then builds up forms/palo's... falseta's, accompaniment etc
personally found the sites a great source of video learning...
not sure how reliable flamenco world is at present with shipping but a variety of things here...
https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/categoria/flamenco-guitar-lessons/80/
the encuentro series is mandatory at some stage...like the nunez etc...if you are new to flamenco i would recomend the paco serrano as a starting point perhaps? anyone else agree? They are all amazing to watch and learn from.
https://www.lasonanta.eu/en/flamenco-clases-de-guitarra-dvd-partituras
hope this helps.good luck.
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Palmas
yes..well pointed out.....foot and hands....! can do this anywhere...!
also practice Rasgueo's on the steering wheel of the car, coffee tables, girlfriends arm, 
guess though the obvious thing is nothing beats a human being in front of you to learn from....
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Date Jul. 16 2011 14:55:06
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MarTay6
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RE: Advice requested from Newest Member! (in reply to MarTay6)
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Thanks all to all the information and support you've given me! Just located and bought a Yamaha CG-171SF... a bit of a story- Guitar Center has apparently bought up Yamaha's remaining stock of these- and selling them off at $299.97.
I started calling stores closest to me that online search indicated one in stock, to get an in-hand eval of the condition. 1st store- chip in the back. 2nd store- significant damage on the bottom as if bounced off the floor. 3rd store- significant ding on the soundboard through the finish. 4th store- AHA! Success! A very clean one, no marks whatsoever. 2 or 3 calls to get the deal ready to close- Uh, oh... he looked inside at the label- it was an SF-172SF  Their computer inventory and actual stock didn't match!
By this time, I'd worked myself to the G/C in Evansville, Indiana, where I finally found a good one, and it's got my name on it, being readied to ship to me. Hope to have it by the weekend if I'm lucky. Mainly to facilitate safe shipping, I had them put it in a case. Ordered a couple of sets of Hannabach string sets to try from Strings by Mail, and a cejilla from forum member Isnyman. I also ordered DVD #1-3 of the Oscar Herrero Paso a Paso series lessons. Searching, I discovered that JK Lutherie had the best prices on these DVD lessons via their eBay listings. I felt that that- along with the online assets I have found- and you have given me I have enough to get a foundation going. Looking forward to the journey!
Thanks again for all the support- glad to have found this forum. A lot of good stuff here!
Wes
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Date Jul. 19 2011 19:10:53
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rombsix
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From: Beirut, Lebanon
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RE: Advice requested from Newest Member! (in reply to MarTay6)
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Thanks all to all the information and support you've given me! Just located and bought a Yamaha CG-171SF... a bit of a story- Guitar Center has apparently bought up Yamaha's remaining stock of these- and selling them off at $299.97.
I started calling stores closest to me that online search indicated one in stock, to get an in-hand eval of the condition. 1st store- chip in the back. 2nd store- significant damage on the bottom as if bounced off the floor. 3rd store- significant ding on the soundboard through the finish. 4th store- AHA! Success! A very clean one, no marks whatsoever. 2 or 3 calls to get the deal ready to close- Uh, oh... he looked inside at the label- it was an SF-172SF Their computer inventory and actual stock didn't match!
By this time, I'd worked myself to the G/C in Evansville, Indiana, where I finally found a good one, and it's got my name on it, being readied to ship to me. Hope to have it by the weekend if I'm lucky. Mainly to facilitate safe shipping, I had them put it in a case. Ordered a couple of sets of Hannabach string sets to trygtom Dtrings by Mail, and a cejilla from forum member Isnyman. I also ordered DVD #1-3 of the Oscar Herrero Paso a Paso series lessons. Searching, I discovered that JK Lutherie had the best prices on these DVD lessons via their eBay listings. I felt that that- along with the online assets I have found- and you have given me I have enough to get a foundation going. Looking forward to the journey!
Thanks again for all the support- glad to have found this forum. A lot of good stuff here!
Wes
I think you've made very good choices, and you will surely benefit. Get back to us with any of your questions.
Olé!
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Date Jul. 19 2011 19:25:05
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Advice requested from Newest Member! (in reply to MarTay6)
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ORIGINAL: MarTay6
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The feeling of ending on count 4 is the same as 10. Hence no real need to count to 12, just 6 is fine. In practice it is ok to mix the feel of short phrases of 6 with longer ones of 12. so one may end on 4, but count 6 becomes the 12 of a new phrase.
This totally confuses me. As a musician unfamilar with the Flamenco rhythm's ( so far- but I will learn!) my normal time signatures are 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, etc., so this makes no sense to me. (yet!)
Wes
Simply put, the 12 counts of bulerias would be like 8th notes in 3/4 time. So two measures always equals 12 counts. When phrasing in bulerias, there will occur times when you have an odd measure (ending on count 10 is like suddenly stopping the music on the 3rd beat of the SECOND 3/4 bar). This odd measure for nothing tends to throw people off that count or think always of phrasing 2 bars at a time. That is all it is really, an odd measure extension, to other wise square phrasing.
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Date Jul. 22 2011 21:48:15
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chester
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RE: Advice requested from Newest Member! (in reply to MarTay6)
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Real simple.. HA :)
Glad you enjoyed the link, although it's hardly MY chart, all credit goes to Jose Tanaka. That page helped me internalize the buleria rhythm as well.
I think the simplest way to think about it is not to bother with the whole 12 count. Just tap your foot, six beats is one round of compas. Accent the 1, and of 2, 4, 5, 6. Think of it as 6/4 with an accent on the upbeat following beat 2.
1 2 and 3 4 5 6
Does that make sense?
If it does, let me make it more complicated -
Think about 3 over 2. Tap your fingers on a table, one hand is doing 8th notes while the other is doing triplets, they tap together every 2 or 3 beats (respectively). THAT'S the real feel of the buleria upbeat. Close to the and of two but more swinging.
Confused yet? Look into learning siguriya, it also helped me get the whole flamenco hemiola thing.
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