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RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to changue)
One thing that's very characteristic of Malagueñas is that big continuous rasgueado between the final F to E. Not that easy to pull off effectively IMO.
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
I think it's a genius idea Ron.. you HAVE to start thinking this way if you ever want to do any accompaniment work (read: be a real Flamenco guitarist). Putting your own stuff together that gets the job done and sets up for the cante/baile is the essence of Flamenco IMO. And in a libre palo I think any beginner can have a shot at this.. like you said it can be 5 seconds.. rasgueado on E, continuous rasg into F, little picado line back to E, done Many a malagueña has opened pretty much that way. Or you can make it more complicated but that doesn't necessarily make it better.
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
I would like to enter too. I do not know much about this palo yet, but i liked the self composed audio of a malaguena someone here in the foro posted few days ago. If we have to research the material ourselfs, it would be nice to get some more stuff as an orientation. In one of my Flamencobooks /GM i think) its sais malaguenas are played in the compas of the Fandangos, but here i red that its a libre palo, whats right? I have some serious technical deficits with my arpegio and rasguados and i think a challange is the best place to start working on it. So i sign in!
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RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to Schalli)
Schalli, malagueña is free-form, however it's related closely to verdiales which is in the compás of fandangos. Malagueñas usually lead into verdiales, although I think if your solo for this challenge led all the way to a solo verdiales, your singer (or in this case, Ron) might just kill you
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
Ok! Free form means that i can do with the notes what ever i want, as long as it sounds good? Or cann i even add something oder leave something out, if it sounds better to me? Is the time running, yet?
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to Schalli)
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Ok! Free form means that i can do with the notes what ever i want, as long as it sounds good? Or cann i even add something oder leave something out, if it sounds better to me?
Free form means it has no cyclic beat or rhythm like 4/4 or 6/8 etc etc.
In ALL the palos in Flamenco, including the ones "á compás" (Bulerias, Alegrias etc etc) you can play whatever ideas, tunes or notes you like.. (eg like when Ramzi "Buleria-izes" pop songs etc.)
Whether it's GOOD Flamenco or not, really depends on how others react.
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
I think it should be something like "arrangement" instead of compas. Like how well it is put together, communicates Malagueña, and would inspire the singer.
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
Seems like many are written down in 3/4 or 3/4 and 6/8 and that same book as that one bit of sheet music came from states accents on 3, 6, 9 and 12. I'm thinking stick around that with some room for interpretation? I am going to try and merge a few things I have heard (like andy above, the granados book, some recordings, etc) and see what pops out. Does seem like judging will be tough though.
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RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to villain)
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ORIGINAL: villain
Seems like many are written down in 3/4 or 3/4 and 6/8 and that same book as that one bit of sheet music came from states accents on 3, 6, 9 and 12. I'm thinking stick around that with some room for interpretation? I am going to try and merge a few things I have heard (like andy above, the granados book, some recordings, etc) and see what pops out. Does seem like judging will be tough though.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this but malagueña is free-form. It can have sections in compás (and it would be a 3 beat, so as you said, 3,6,9,12), but in general you definitely don't need to stick to that, and to be honest I think you'd be better off not sticking to that. Free form has its own challenges, you shouldn't shy away from them by clinging to compás!
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
F it all just do 0-30 no categories
Malagueña is a free form palo but the guitar version usually has some sections in 3 beat compas. This is supposed to be an intro for a singer so rhythmic sections are not required IMO. But there are other idiomatic phrases in Malagueña that I would look for to give it the correct aire.
This is what I was told by a knowledgeable aficionado recently:
"In my opinion, malagueñas is the most dynamic of the "free" styles. Of course there are no strict rules, it's art and not science, etc., but there should be a rhythmic undercurrent in the malagueña. Sometimes it seems to disappear, or maybe there will be no trace of the undercurrent in the first part of a composition, but some kind of rhythmic drive should be there."
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
So Ron posted in the challenge thread that compas can be about flow, that makes sense but I will ask again, what does aire mean? I thought that flow would have been part of aire. I was thinking of judging for this but I would not know how to rate these.
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to Ron.M)
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Or how's about 15 Technique 15 Aire and try to include everything within these two groups?
That makes sense. You could also just leave the original rating 0 to 10 and make it on 20. One way or another, count me in for my first time judging experience.
By the way Ron I like that I'm the singer and that's what I want approach.
RE: ****New Beginners Challenge Summ... (in reply to XXX)
I think you can delve as deeply into plumbing the depths of the Malagueña as you want to as long as your singer wouldn't get up and leave and/or fall asleep on stage.
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Many a malagueña has opened pretty much that way. 
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