Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad

Costs are rising and times are tough.
Please consider a donation to keep this
place going.

Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.

This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.

We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.

You are logged in as Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >>Discussions >>General >>

Page: [1] 2 > >>

Message

<< Newer Topic Older Topic >>

rogeliocan

Posts: 811
Joined: Nov. 23 2009
From: Canada

Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad

Someone sent me this link, apparently she's 5. I say it's a bit sad because all of us here know how much work is required to play guitar well, I would be tempted to think that she does not do much of anything else which is not much of a childhood.
Also I could say that it's a bit sad because she can play better than I can

http://www.tvkim.com/watch/326/kims-picks-north-korean-girl-guitarist

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 13:13:27

Ron.M

Posts: 7051
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

quote:

Also I could say that it's a bit sad because she can play better than I can

She probably plays better than most of us on the Forum!

Sickening...eh?

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 13:22:53

Stu

Posts: 2537
Joined: Jan. 30 2007
From: London (the South of it), England

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

wow!!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 13:51:20

Guest

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Stu)

spotted the vid a few weeks back
freakish
amazing though is the musicality of it all...let alone the playing..
my ghast is flabbered.

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 13:57:49

gounaro

Posts: 875
Joined: Sep. 28 2008
From: Athens, Hellas

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Guest)

What did we do when we were at her age?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 14:32:09

Chiste de Gales

Posts: 298
Joined: Jan. 13 2009

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

Child prodigies are the last socially acceptable freak show.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 14:35:33

beno

Posts: 881
Joined: Nov. 3 2006
From: Hungary

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

well, she looks happy....but why don't they give her a smaller guitar??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 14:49:55

gounaro

Posts: 875
Joined: Sep. 28 2008
From: Athens, Hellas

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to beno)

Because in North Korea there is dictatorship!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 14:55:23

Ramon Amira

Posts: 1025
Joined: Oct. 14 2009
From: New York City

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

It's a fake. They taught her some hand movements, and then the whole thing was dubbed by Manitas de Plata!

Amazing.

_____________________________

Classical and flamenco guitars from Spain Ramon Amira Guitars

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 15:06:49

kozz

Posts: 1766
Joined: Feb. 26 2009
From: Eindhoven NL

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

Damn,
can you imagine a flamenco guitar as big as a contrabass and play it?

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 16:01:21

Mike_Kinny

Posts: 689
Joined: Feb. 12 2009

[Deleted]

Post has been moved to the Recycle Bin at Nov. 26 2010 21:53:44

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 16:50:15

Elie

Posts: 1837
Joined: Apr. 10 2010

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

She probably plays better than most of us on the Forum!

I don't agree

but yea that was sick

why the hell are asian people good at everything

_____________________________

http://www.youtube.com/user/GuitarristaAD

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 18:59:11

kovachian

Posts: 506
Joined: Jan. 30 2008
From: Americanistan

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

I doubt she's 5, more like a really tiny 15 year old. She's probably the lovechild of Gary Coleman and Margaret Cho.

_____________________________

Don't look at me in that tone of voice.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 20:26:37

Ron.M

Posts: 7051
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Elie)

quote:

why the hell are asian people good at everything

Less modern career aspirations and more time to focus on stuff...just like the Gitanos.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 20:27:47

Chiste de Gales

Posts: 298
Joined: Jan. 13 2009

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

Also the belief that there is no middle ground between perfection and failure.

If you aren't first, you're last.

-Ricky Bobby

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 18 2010 20:57:59

CarloJuan

Posts: 169
Joined: Sep. 19 2010
From: Philippines

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Elie)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkElieDraven

why the hell are asian people good at everything

thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 7:52:40

Elie

Posts: 1837
Joined: Apr. 10 2010

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

you're welcome

_____________________________

http://www.youtube.com/user/GuitarristaAD

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 8:05:28

Argaith

Posts: 481
Joined: May 6 2009
From: Iran (living in London)

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

I loved the golpes; she's actually beating the guitar!

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 10:34:31

Kevin James Shanahan

Posts: 407
Joined: Oct. 10 2010
From: Wooli, NSW Australia

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

O M G . Why are humans not evolving . That was awsome . Peace .

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 10:55:34

cosimojack

Posts: 34
Joined: Dec. 15 2007

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

Freaky...

I have a 5 year old and it's hard to imagine him or any of his friends building the necessary hand strength and coordination to play like this.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 11:46:21

Ron.M

Posts: 7051
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to cosimojack)

quote:

I have a 5 year old and it's hard to imagine him or any of his friends building the necessary hand strength and coordination to play like this.

Hmmm....I'm actually a bit suspicious of this now. Isn't there a condition called "dwarfism"?
The kid could maybe be 10 or 11 and just dressed up as an infant.

Also her arms seem disproportionally "long" for a kid of 5...

Also when did she start playing in order to get that technique and ability to play more or less flawlessly under "live" conditions with cameras and an audience?

Add to that the strength and coordination of both hands and a sort of maturity in the playing that would be quite outstanding in a 10 year old, but absolutely astonishing in a 5 year old.

cheers,

Ron

Apologies to all if my suspicions are unjustified.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 14:17:28

jg7238

Posts: 2869
Joined: May 11 2009

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Ron.M)

Not even John Williams or PDL were playing when they were 5. They were around 7. At 5, it's very difficult to have that kind of strength to play in my opinion. I guess she is without a doubt an exception.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 15:36:23

Estevan

Posts: 1936
Joined: Dec. 20 2006
From: Torontolucía

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to jg7238)

quote:

Not even John Williams or PDL were playing when they were 5. They were around 7.

John says in the documentary that he used to think that he had started at around 7, but found out later that he started when he was 4.

I don't know how old PdL was when he started, but he has said that as a kid surrounded by flamenco he already knew all the music and just had to find out where it was on the guitar.

_____________________________

Me da igual. La música es música.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 17:01:39

Estevan

Posts: 1936
Joined: Dec. 20 2006
From: Torontolucía

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

This is even more freaky looking:

_____________________________

Me da igual. La música es música.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 17:06:26

Elie

Posts: 1837
Joined: Apr. 10 2010

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

quote:

This is even more freaky looking:

_____________________________

http://www.youtube.com/user/GuitarristaAD

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 17:25:22

edguerin

Posts: 1589
Joined: Dec. 24 2007
From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to rogeliocan)

I seriously doubt she's five.
I haven't seen this explicitly stated anywhere; but I did find this:

quote:

Her name is Kang Eunju. She belongs to Shin Hung Kindergarten in Hamhung City in North Korea...".

So they own her?

_____________________________

Ed

El aficionado solitario
Alemania

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 17:33:25

Ron.M

Posts: 7051
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to edguerin)

quote:

So they own her?

No Ed,

I think she does it for the love of Kim Jong, part God, part Leader and Benefactor of his people and to show that N.Korea is the best country in the world to be part of...

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 18:01:26

Ramon Amira

Posts: 1025
Joined: Oct. 14 2009
From: New York City

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to jg7238)

quote:

Not even John Williams or PDL were playing when they were 5. They were around 7. At 5, it's very difficult to have that kind of strength to play in my opinion. I guess she is without a doubt an exception.

It's generally accepted that Sabicas started when he was five. Mario Escudero at six. Pepe Romero says he started when he was two, but that's hard to believe. If John Williams says he started at four I wouldn't doubt it, since his father, Len Williams, was a teacher of classical guitar. So was Celedonio Romero, but four is not two.

But I agree with JG - I've had many prospective five year old students, and after talking to the child and a little playing test, I told the parents of every single one that the child was simply not ready.

On the other hand, every child is individual, and of course there are the circumstances – family, ambience, inherent desire, physical ability and development, etc., so it's hard to make a blanket statement.

_____________________________

Classical and flamenco guitars from Spain Ramon Amira Guitars

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 20:45:23

Escribano

Posts: 6416
Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: England, living in Italy

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

The kid could maybe be 10 or 11 and just dressed up as an infant.

Considering her race and putting her on the petite side of that, I would guess 8-10 years old. Which would give her maybe 3-4 years of intense instruction behind her, and by rote I suspect.

_____________________________

Foro Flamenco founder and Admin

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 20:53:35

rogeliocan

Posts: 811
Joined: Nov. 23 2009
From: Canada

RE: Impressive, strange, maybe a bit sad (in reply to Escribano)

quote:

Considering her race and putting her on the petite side of that, I would guess 8-10 years old. Which would give her maybe 3-4 years of intense instruction behind her, and by rote I suspect.

Yep I would go for that, it would make more sense to me.
It reminds me of the specialized training in the USSR back in the days, I suppose there is some good in socialist regimes. The USSR had the athletes, Cuba the doctors and North Korea, tiny guitarists

(and soldiers).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2010 21:23:27