Flamenco with arabic influences

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Janne H

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Flamenco with arabic influences

Hi,

looking for flamenco with arabic influences, if you have anything, please post.

like the use of specific melodic lines, scales/modes, chords, oud-like technics (use of thumb, which is often used), melodic slides, quarter notes etc.

Janne

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Doitsujin

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Which palo are you looking for?

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rombsix

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Sorry.

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Elie

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

The Album " Flamenco Arabe " by " Hossam Ramzy/Rafa Tachuela " is what you need I guess ,it has very nice stuff. arab palos like hijaz , rast and malfuf mixed with flamenco palos buleria , rondena, granaina and taranto etc
I'll search for melodic lines and scales in my library hope i find some to post .
good luck
Elie

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Janne H

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Any palo.

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Janne H

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Nice one, rombsix, what exactly was that?

Here´s a nifty turkish/flamenco thing:

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rombsix

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

quote:

what exactly was that?

Ask Ron.

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yohan

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Janne H

Here´s a nifty turkish/flamenco thing:

thanks! that was awesome!
btw I really feel that arabic music and flamenco can be, unlike jazz, a very interesting combination.

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Doitsujin

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

quote:

Any palo.

Well, all flamenco is influenced by arabic music... If you want to go for some obvious arabic melodies.. Check some older records of Sabicas. There you will come across Zambras... that sounds pretty arabic.

I also like the first track on the CD Zaguan of Miguel Poveda. Chicuelo plays guitar and the theme sounds very arabic...like a loud.

Than check some older Paco records. For example the bulerias Almoraima. and on Siroco the Tangos.

I hope that helps.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2010 20:27:22

Ron.M

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Hi Janne,

Check out Amir Haddad....fantastic Flamenco player from Palestinian/South American parents who also plays Oud with Radio Tarifa.

I loved this bulerias falseta from his "Understanding Flamenco" CD.

I tried to copy it, but it's still not quite right...but will give you some idea anyway...

www.btinternet.com/~flamenco/amir_haddad.mp3

cheers,

Ron

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Janne H

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

yohan,

as Doitsujin wrote, all flamenco is influenced by arabic music, it is not a question of combining the two rather than extending the latter, right? But I agree it is a interesting combination/influence.

Doitsujin,

I´ll check them out, thanks!

Would be nice to here some more melodic sliding and quarter notes (through bending).

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mezzo

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

quote:

if you have anything, please post.

me like this one.

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NormanKliman

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

This sequence in "Vengo":

Lole y Manuel, El Lebrijano and others.

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Ron.M

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to NormanKliman)

Good video, Norman!

"Tomatito & Sheik Al Tuni"

Sounds like something I once saw on a menu in Tunisia...

cheers,

Ron

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Estevan

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

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because the sheikhs used 1/3 or 1/4 tones.

For that you need extra frets...(@ 2:02):

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kozz

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Janne H
Here´s a nifty turkish/flamenco thing:

Thanks for this, watched some more videos from Öykü & Berk, the really groove.

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veet

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

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Mixing was no better than oil and water partly because the sheikhs used 1/3 or 1/4 tones.

There was no "mixing." They took turns. Never was the tempered scale juxtaposed with the arab maqamat. Tomatito was very careful to play only single lines against the singer, no chords.

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KMMI77

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Loley and Manuel Molina did some awesome stuff. I would recommend having a listen to them. Watch out for some very cheesy electric guitar solo's on a few of their albums though.They come in out of nowhere.

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Janne H

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Estevan)

Estevan,

Thanks for the Itamar Erez link, hadn´t heard of him before, sounded great. I have a friend that sometimes uses pieces of matchsticks in between frets to get those quarter notes, it works fine.

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kozz

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Janne H

Hi,

looking for flamenco with arabic influences, if you have anything, please post.

like the use of specific melodic lines, scales/modes, chords, oud-like technics (use of thumb, which is often used), melodic slides, quarter notes etc.

Janne

Check Radio Tarifa also, they have some very nice tangos.
Check Tangos del Agujero on the album Rumba Argelina (not on Fiebre).

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doublek

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doublek

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to doublek)

This is a friend of me he is famous here in Egypt and he plays with midel east number one singer Amr DIAB.. ENJOY..LET ME KNOW WHAT DO YOU THINK.

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doublek

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to doublek)

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1498659993813&ref=mf

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CuerdasDulces

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Arash

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

Here are some i know of:

El Lebrijano

Nura - Flamenco Arabo

Qawalli Flamenco (this is more indian)

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Guest

RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Janne H)

This is a video of two tunisian oud players
some of anouar brahim's music falls nicely on the guitar...

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Estevan

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RE: Flamenco with arabic influences (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

quote:

Jeez I thought that Vicente picture is photoshopped.

It's from an impromptu judo session. As you can see, Vicente made a feeble attempt to throw El Pele, who cracked up laughing.

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