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rombsix

Posts: 7815
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

Buying a flamenco guitar

Hello everyone,

I want to buy a flamenco guitar, and I am considering these two (for a particular reason):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330358097793&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330385786630&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

You all know where I'm at with respect to flamenco guitar playing, and I believe it's about time to move from my $80 Hohner HC06 classical guitar, to a better FLAMENCO guitar. I need your advice on which of these two guitars, if any, to go for:

1- What do you think of the prices? Are they fair, or too expensive? (I tried checking out the prices from the Sanchis Carpio website, but was unable to find them)

2- What about the actual guitars? Which one would you recommend (if money were an issue, versus if it were NOT an issue)?

3- Does anyone have experience with these two brands and particular models?

Any advice would be highly appreciated.

Gracias!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 2:06:28

XXX

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Joined: Apr. 14 2005

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

Im not familiar with Raimundo prices. The 1F is a bit too expensive. You can get it for 1700$ used.
I find it a bit confusing Carpio calls his second best model as "1"F, because he has a top model that is over 6k$ new.

I think considering the guitar you played until now, any guitar above 600€ used will make you very happy

Its really a big difference.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 3:34:58

Morao

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Joined: Jan. 8 2009

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

It´s a little bit confused on the Sanchis Lopez website:

http://www.hermanossanchislopez.com/ingles/historia/historia.htm

> News

> You can visit our new shop on-line here

There you can order all instruments and see their prices. If you wan´t a Sanchis I would recommend to buy it directly from them or from Mundo-Flamenco. They ship world wide.

http://www.mundo-flamenco.com/

The Ebay Sanchis is a little bit overpriced... BTW They don´t use this label since 2005 any more, little bit strange- the 6 seems to be overwritten on the photo. And the Sanchis Brothers use another Rosette for the 1F right now. I think it´s an older model (before 2004), but maybe I´m wrong.

I never played a Raimundo guitar so I can´t tell something about this one.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 3:52:04

Arash

Posts: 4495
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

well, the ebay guitar is from the father (Ricardo Sanchis Carpio) and not the sons (Hermanos Sanchis Lopez).

so of course its different label.

BTW, as far as i know, the father (ricardo) only builts one model since few years. no other models.

the rest and all other models are done by the sons.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 4:01:02

Arash

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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

Ramzi, isn't there any guitar shop / dealer in your country?

i mean ordering from US, then (maybe!) be dissapointed, because the guitars doesn't suits you (for whatever reason), would be not so good.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 4:03:31

barisyavuz

Posts: 9
Joined: Nov. 30 2009
From: london

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

yes.l agree with Arash.l also prefer to touch it before l buy.You can get some advices from members what lt doesnt mean you are gonna feel the same thing with them when you play one of those...

Good luck

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 4:08:30

Pgh_flamenco

Posts: 1506
Joined: Dec. 5 2007
From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

About the RSC--you need Tom’s help from La Falseta or Ricardo. There are too many variations of the label to authenticate an RSC and determine its value by searching online.

I don’t think there is anything special about Raimundo—most that I’ve seen listed on ebay are cheap and I wouldn’t buy one.

Have you considered a used Conde EF4? What about the Navarro Reyes for $1,599 used on the GC site? Do a national search for Flamenco to view the listing. http://used.guitarcenter.com/usedgear/index.cfm

This Reyes copy goes for about $3,200 new and you could probably sell it and make a little money if you don’t like it.
http://www.lafalseta.com/navarro_flamencos.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 4:12:52

Morao

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RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to Arash)

I´m not specialist with HSL guitars. But since 2005 the sons take the workshop and labeled their guitars with "Hermanos Sanchis Lopez Hijos dee Ricardo...". Since then Ricardo build only his own model as you said. And on this label you can read: "Ricardo Sanchis Lopez Hnos Sanchis Lopez"-not comparable with the guitars Ricardo build today. It could be a fake. But like Pgh_flamenco said, they are so many labels...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 4:48:21

rombsix

Posts: 7815
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to Pgh_flamenco)

Thank you all for the quick replies. Let me clarify some issues:

1- There are NO guitar shops in Lebanon. So the option of trying before buying is not available here.

2- I will be going to Michigan and Montreal in March and April 2010 for work. Might I be able to find some good guitar shops there to maybe try out some flamenco models / brands?

3- Regarding these two particular guitars (whose links I provided): they belong to a friend who is coming to my country. He is willing to bring one of them for me to buy it. I need to ask him if he agrees that I try it out, and if I don't like it, whether I can REFUSE buying it. This is why I specified these two particular guitars.

Thanks! More advice?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 4:55:24

Morao

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RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

If he is a friend, forget what I said. That was just suspect with Ebay offers.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 5:01:20

Pgh_flamenco

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Joined: Dec. 5 2007
From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

quote:

2- I will be going to Michigan and Montreal in March and April 2010 for work. Might I be able to find some good guitar shops there to maybe try out some flamenco models / brands?

Flamenco isn't that popular in the US and you will have to do some research online and then make phone calls to make sure a trip to a music store will be worth your time. Chicago or Detroit might be good places to look. You might also find a nice boutique in an off the beaten path location. If you had a lay over in NY or DC I think that would be your best chance to try out a selection of flamenco guitars.

If you post where you will be staying in Michigan maybe someone on this site can tell you where to go in that area. I really like the idea of checking NY for a guitar. If you have everything planned ahead of time a short stay might yield a great guitar and you can have it shipped to your destination. If you pay with a credit card you can dispute the charge if there are any issues. Just some ideas…

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 6:23:06

Ramon Amira

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Joined: Oct. 14 2009
From: New York City

RE: Buying a flamenco guitar (in reply to rombsix)

If by any chance you have a long enough layover in New York, go to -

Luthier Music -
341 West 44th Street |
New York, NY 10036
Phone (212) 397-6038 |
Fax (212) 397-6048

They have the biggest selection of new and sometimes used guitars in New York.

I forgot to give you their website - www.luthiermusic.com

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 6:48:13