RE: The Cante accompaniment challenge!! Finally

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JasonMcGuire

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

You may need to use a service like YouSendit.com or RapidShare.com

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Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to gj Michelob)

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our dear white-suited-flamenco-star?

Yep

thank you amigo, il post some when i get em

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 6 2009 23:56:10

Ailsa

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Don't worry it's here! Just took a little while to reach my inbox.

My file size limit is 25Mb, so should be no probs.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 0:04:23

Matic

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

I've been working on this quite a lot, even composed a falseta... but won't be able to record it.
I've been ridiculously busy last few days and away from guitar for 5 days last week... I think that's the reason why I'm now sick in bed...

I will record it when I'm better and upload it because I'd really like to hear what you think.

Good luck everybody !!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 1:19:00

Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

sorry to heaar that amigo.... get well

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 1:46:53

henrym3483

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

after listen to my entry about 10 times seems quite cobbled, i took bits and pieces from a couple of cante accompaniment vids from youtube.

anyway id def like to work with some singers in the future as this is whats its all about, it was a fun challenge

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XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

I have sent mine, but its actually not finished. I had some good ideas as starting point, but not finished. Worst time management by me...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 8:40:02

NormanKliman

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

I think the contestants shouldn't be telling us too much just now about their entries, as it might give the judges a clue as to who's recorded what, especially if a contestant has recorded something other than por medio.

Just my opinion; feel free to disagree.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 10:05:40

Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to NormanKliman)

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feel free to disagree

I disagree

jk..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 10:18:27

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to NormanKliman)

it's funny everyone makes excuses why their recording's so poor :)
i could make mine but it'd give me away as soon as they're uploaded...

i'm really excited about this, can't wait to hear everyone!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 12:37:43

Ailsa

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

I have 8 entries all code named and ready to upload. I promised you guys until midnight UK, so just under 2 hours to go. I'm really impressed with you all. Brilliant job.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 13:14:39

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

misunderstanding, i thought ready to upload meant you are going to upload them now...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 13:25:52

Florian

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A Couple More Judges needed (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

for the Cante Challenge

Felix is overseas and unable to judge..

please out your name down..if you listen to a bit of cante

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 7 2009 15:11:14

Doitsujin

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

I´m at work... will judge this weekend. Im looking forward to check out the audios!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 8 2009 3:26:09

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

Too bad about Felix maybe he can write some things when hes back?
I am in hope of reading more judgings.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 9 2009 4:32:07

Andy Culpepper

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

JasonMcGuire
Ricardo
NormanKliman
Sean
Kate & Harold
Doitsujin
edguerin

Is this still an accurate list of who's judging? I think we need more because some of these people probably won't show. Are we still doing the public thing? How is that going to work?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 9 2009 6:06:41

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

yeah, 3 so far is not too much...i hope the others find time to judge on the weekend...
i don't think we're doing the public thing, nobody's said a word about it yet...
it's probably because we haven't decided on the hows, perhaps at the composition challenge this could be more important...

i've taken notes and judged and now after having listened to all entries several times i think i know who's who and i have a very strong favourite for winner (not me

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 9 2009 17:21:03

Anders Eliasson

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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i have a very strong favourite for winner (not me )

I have strong favorite as well and its not me either

Talking about doing things better so that the judges are ready when we have the deadline. 2 suggestions:
1) not make a challenge that goes for 3 month
2) not changing deadline a couple of days before (already changed once) deadline.

I think the judges a completely free to take their time under these circumstances.

Anyways, I´m of untill tuesday. I´m going to sit in the bush in front of our caravan and play and read books.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 1:09:53

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Its not the judges that bug me, its that we get no f***ing information about whats going on.... zzZzZZzzZzZZ. We dont even know if the judges just need more time, or if they arent available at all. If a judge is not available (which is never a problem, no matter if you change deadline or not) it should be made public, like in the last challenge with Grisha. And it should be made public when the judgments supposed to end.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 1:53:34

Doitsujin

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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If a judge is not available (which is never a problem, no matter if you change deadline or not) it should be made public, like in the last challenge with Grisha.

Grisha promised me in the last challenge to jude during the last possible days. But he didn´t and didn´t pass me a message that he doesn´t judge. So.. he was lazy, he ****ed us.

I will judge this evening. Berlin time.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 5:49:40

Andy Culpepper

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

Has anyone PMed these judges (Ricardo, Kate + Harold etc.)?
If not I'll send them a little reminder.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 9:20:36

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

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ORIGINAL: deteresa1

Has anyone PMed these judges (Ricardo, Kate + Harold etc.)?
If not I'll send them a little reminder.

To my taste we can stop judging now, before my position gets worse and worse

damn... i didnt thought that it would turn out that funny. I bet florian does not find it funny at all

jeez... a crazy challenge imo.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 11:29:35

Andy Culpepper

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

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To my taste we can stop judging now, before my position gets worse and worse

lol...I hear you man, but I would still like to see what Kate says if she's available....

Our last 2 or 3 judges gave some "interesting" scores

I'm completely out but I'm pretty sure I know who chicharro is and I think he deserves to win

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 11:32:51

Ron.M

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to XXX)

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eez... a crazy challenge imo.

Naw Deniz,

I appreciate your (and others) frustration here.

This Challenge has certainly been the most interesting of all of them as far as I am concerned.

This thing with the Judges...

It annoys me when someone commits to doing something and then backs out without giving notice to anybody.

I was the first to bring this up in the Beginner's challenge a while ago.

Judging responsibility is handled FAR too casually here and I would submit that anyone who is asked and accepts to be a Judge adheres to their responsibilities and not just drop out at sudden notice due to something more interesting coming up.

Shame on you.

At least keep up to date with any last minute alteratations to the schedule or file a reason why you will have to drop out.

That's just plain ignorant and lack of respect IMO.

People have put a lot of time and thought into this Challenge and it is complete arrogance or dismissal of giving your word for the sake of your own personal interests that leave everybody hanging on and cause these Challenges to end in confusion and frustration.

If you commit to having the respect to be asked and considered a Judge, then please reciprocate that by honouring the dignity those members who have practised hard for it and uploaded their entries.

If you cannot meet these obligations, then please inform the Forum of any sudden commitments beforehand and don't just "leave it 'cos it doesn't matter"

It does.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 11:58:25

Ailsa

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

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I would still like to see what Kate says if she's available....

I know Kate has been coming to UK a lot recently to sort out family stuff. And I know what you mean Ron, but family does have to come before Foro!!

I'll text her to see if when she could be able to do the judging.

If she is just not able to do it we can close the competition.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 12:23:53

XXX

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

Ron thanks for your comment. Did you had contact to Florian? I am not that severe when it comes to the judges. A judge can step out ANYTIME imo. But a judge has the responsibility to inform the organization. And the organization has a responsibility to inform the public, especially the CHALLENGERS. It is not acceptable if somebody from the "outside" now, after 5 days, has to mail a judge.

Another thing is the huge difference in the quality of the judgments. Im not sure if every judge listened to all audios...;) some comments were even somewhere between disinterest, incompetence and (almost) offense. They just dont reflect the hard work everyone here has put in it.

For the future challenges i would propose a deadline for judgments. It gives transparency and security for the challengers.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 12:54:36

Ailsa

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to XXX)

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i would propose a deadline for judgments.

Yes that is a good idea and we did do that for one of the other challenges that Anthony and I did. We knew one of the judges couldn't be available for two days, so we made that the deadline for judging.

I think we actually do have an obvious winner on the 6 scores we already have, someone who has scored consistently high (though not always the absolute highest). So we could close the challenge, while leaving it open for more comments. Because it's the comments that matter most - that's what we all learn from. But that's Flo's call I think. I'm just the hired help - I do as I'm told

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 13:21:59

cathulu

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to Ron.M)

Further to that, I think if you are a judge please take your scoring seriously. Doit's comments and judged scores are pretty inane imho.

Jason, Norman, Ricardo fantastic well thought out comments. I love to see how you analyze the music. I am learning from your responses just by osmosis.

To the other judges not as qualified, your ability to discern the performance best to your ear is still very important and score appropriately. It is like the stock market, some invest knowledgeably, some not, but the market totality is pretty close to optimum. It is hard to beat the stock index!

I have really enjoyed listening to this challenge, and all the competitors have done a fantastic job. There is only one for certain and one not so much that I can recognize!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 13:53:28

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to cathulu)

overall - although having to wait for our scores as a challenger is almost unbearable :) - it's been a great challenge and i'm happy with what most judges had to say and the way they rated us...there was one who i felt was really too harsh on us...
Ricardo (not talking about him in the previous line) gave Lubina a 0, but while he's right with what he had to say, if you listen to the same thing again trying to disregard the palmas which somehow is totally out of place with everything (which i don't quite understand how it happens as we had a ready mp3 to download, now how come only the palmas is off beat? technically this is a mystery to me), the guitar sounds fine on the cante, although yes it's still off at places, but a 0 is not very nice...respectfully, i think you should have acknowledged the effort at least...it hasn't decided anything and would've saved the challenger from a sudden rise of adrenaline :)...i know i would've been disappointed...

next time we should put a deadline to judging as well so we'll know what to expect...
overall i'm satisfied and am happy to have heard so many different ideas on the same cante...
let's be patient and let's not fight among ourselves...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2009 16:32:38

Florian

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RE: The Cante accompaniment challeng... (in reply to cathulu)

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Because it's the comments that matter most - that's what we all learn from. But that's Flo's call I think. I'm just the hired help - I do as I'm told

i am cool with it...i am looking foward to upload the video of it...i said the 12th at the latest in the message to all judges.....but if 1 more score wont make much difference to the ladder then i am cool....let the guys in the challenge decide, il go either way..

congratulations guys you all did greate

some brilliant brilliant entries and playing and i am so proud of all of you and honoured to have done this with you, thank you for giving us your time and energy..and thank you to the judges

i am gonna make a video of my entry....please do the same if you like we can compare notes and borrow ideas...i was so so impressed with some entries, some beautiful playing...truly..the falsetas, the intros ...wow, really amazing stuff

i wasent too pleased with my entrie to begin with but i thought it oh will be enough to save face...and then i listened to the first couple of entries ...and i thought .."Oh sh*t

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this is the idea and the reason of doing this challenge so that we all learn on it, bring our flows out into the open and work on correcting them (ofcourse it stings and you not gonna like everything you hear back, and some might even be wrong or you disagree but its up to you, what u take in what you leave out, whats usefull whats not..thank you to those thaat gave their opinions, thats not eazy too) ...i dont wanna hear of anyone holding their head down or beeing discouraged or dissapointed...u guys rised up to the ocassion and thank you...the fact that some of you who never ever accompanied and had oportunities to accompanie did this and did good enough or tried its just brilliant..

one thing that never fails is that you guys never ever fail to inspire me

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