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RE: Conde Questions
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Ricardo
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RE: Conde Questions (in reply to Ricardo)
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Checked em out again in the dark room. The sanchis was darn close to the barbero style bracing up top of this page (plan 42), and yeah super thin. The sobrinos was almost identical to the 97 conde, bracing and thicknesses. Only minor difference was of the 5 parallel braces, numbers 2 and 4 are extended on the modern conde, and go all the way up along side the soundhole. Other than that, they are the exact same plan. So this plan is as old at least as 73, and the two guitar tops were about the same thickness based on translucency. quote:
have a question to whomever might be able to answer. I have seen some media lunas from the 70's with the "primera" label (red printing on white paper) with only a date and no signature. Does this mean it is not a "primera" media luna? Also, I have seen a 70's media luna with a green and white label. It was a fantastic, classic Conde and seem indistinguishable from a signed primera media luna (It looks exactly like the Robje's '65 Media Luna at the top of this page). So, what's the story here? It all seems quite confusing to me. yeah weird, earlier in the thread I think I said I have seen a late 60's conde, it was a different color maybe green label? but actually signed and had atocha AND gravina address. It was not a media luna (had the M. Ramirez type head) but the rest of the guitar was really similar to my 73 sobrinos....so my theory was that SANCHIS and maybe others in Valencia, have been helping Conde bros starting WAY back...maybe even all the way back to esteso. Not very different than what Ramirez did except Ramirez allowed his makers to stamp their initials on each guitar if they wanted. Ricardo
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Date Feb. 28 2009 9:03:14
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malakka
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RE: Conde Questions (in reply to RobJe)
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So does this mean that all the "Fasutino-built" and "Mariano-built" Condes are a MYTH? Perhaps they are role models of the current Felipe V shop brothers and pioneered the business model they are using now at Felipe V shop? It's really no biggie to me because I like Conde guitars, but the myths are interesting. However, the prices for Conde Fleipe V are way over the top quote:
Checked em out again in the dark room. The sanchis was darn close to the barbero style bracing up top of this page (plan 42), and yeah super thin. The sobrinos was almost identical to the 97 conde, bracing and thicknesses. Only minor difference was of the 5 parallel braces, numbers 2 and 4 are extended on the modern conde, and go all the way up along side the soundhole. Other than that, they are the exact same plan. So this plan is as old at least as 73, and the two guitar tops were about the same thickness based on translucency. I remember comparing an early Felipe V Conde A-26 to a late 90's Gravina Conde A-26 equivalent and noticed that bracing was a bit different. The Felipe V blanca had the two parallel struts extended along both sides of the soundhole and the Gravina blanca did not. Other than that the only differences were the headstock shapes and finishes- Gravina was orange and the Felipe V was natural. The Gravina actually sounded better- fuller and more even and loud. The Felipe was very dry and nasally and had a really small neck. As consistently mentioned in this thread, no Condes are equivalent and we all must try different ones to find suited for each of us, and avoid the inevitable dud.
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Date Feb. 28 2009 10:27:36
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