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Young Paco de Lucia accompanying por Bulerias and Alegrias
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NormanKliman
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 RE: Young Paco de Lucia accompanying... (in reply to mezzo)
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Just to be fair, what he really says is: "Y ya digo, 'Mira, él por soleá no me va a tocar más en su vida!'" The story is that he sang three letras, the last one being a closing style, but Paco kept playing, so he sang another three letras and ended up singing much more than he'd planned. His comment roughly translates as, "So I said, 'That's the last time I let this guy accompany me por soleá!'"
The guy speaking after Moraíto is Felipe Maya, Jerónimo's father and one of the guitarists who was in on the Caño Roto school from the beginning. Excellent musician and a very intelligent man.
Very nice video, Mezzo, thanks for uploading it. It looks like it's part of a series or something.
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Date Dec. 25 2010 17:21:49
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Ricardo
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RE: Young Paco de Lucia accompanying... (in reply to jg7238)
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Well, could have happened as he described, which yeah would be embarrasingly bad for Paco, but honeslty, my experiences with singers is that if you are new guy, and especially young "hot shot" or simply payo or foreign, they love to give you a hard time and sing things in an unusual way to teach a lesson or you put you in your place. Then they can go around and say, "ah see he only plays his falsetas and knows nothing about cante...." etc. But if you DO happen to catch them on their BS, and make no "mistakes" then they will give you praises to others that you know your stuff.
But in some cases, even not enough that you get the tonos or the weird endings or whatever, if they still need to "haze" you, then they can say something like "well he got the tonos and has technique, but the soniquete is all wrong...." etc etc so you can never win. Pain in the butt, but when you get used to it, is no big deal and you just keep getting experience until you get like Moraito who makes 0 mistakes in any situation. (relatively speaking).
After all, guys like Chocolate and Agujetas are a true pain in the butt to accompany por solea because they are all over the map in terms of compas. So it is easy to get thrown by them unless you are really paying attention. If I remember correct, Mairena was "worried" about being accompanied by PDL, but afterwards was impressed.
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Date Dec. 25 2010 18:18:35
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NormanKliman
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RE: Young Paco de Lucia accompanying... (in reply to Ricardo)
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...if you are new guy, and especially young "hot shot" or simply payo or foreign, they love to give you a hard time and sing things in an unusual way to teach a lesson or you put you in your place.
Yes, I agree 100%. A few years ago, I had a friend who had many years of experience playing the guitar and he sang and danced well, too. We used to get together for dinner + guitars at my place, and one day it occurred to me to ask him to sing por soleá so I could accompany him. I'd been studying all the styles of the Soler classification and I felt confident. He just grinned and launched right into this weird style:
http://www.canteytoque.es/soleares.htm#anojerez
I laughed and asked why he started with such an odd style and he just looked the other way and changed the subject. I've had a few other situations like that, but without the friendship involved, like at a party where a guy sang a long and convoluted Camarón bulería as the first cante of the first thing we did that evening. I stuck it out but put the guitar down when he finished. He asked me to do something else and I gave the guitar to someone else. He quickly grinned and asked what was wrong. Turned out fine in the end, though. In a similar episode not long ago, the singer kept stopping saying that something was wrong (everything was fine). A few minutes later he wanted to try again and he started in the middle of the verse, where he'd trailed off, but I stuck to him like a bad reputation (argh  ), which went over well in the end.
I guarantee though that every one of them, whether or not they want to admit it, is aware that it could be said that our afición is much stronger than theirs, because we have to work so hard for it.
So, ¡¡¡Ole nuestros cojones!!!
And Merry Christmas! 
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Date Dec. 25 2010 18:43:25
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