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Matic

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to bursche)

Come on, guys!

It's Moraito.

It must be from this CD:
http://www.narada.com/images/AlbumPage/FlamencoFireGrace/flamencofiregrace_page.htm

I get this album picture when playing in WMP.

God knows where Flo downloads stuff from.

But, yeah, it's different from the original on Morao y Oro. And it doesn't really matter!!

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Doitsujin

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Matic)

Thanks Matic! Im happy that I dont have to eat a broom!

In the end it was a nice honor to florian.

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XXX

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Matic)

ok that would be solved. Actually i like the sound much more than on the original Buleriando album.
oops, i fear i also have the Fire and Grace album

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Matic

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Doitsujin)

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Thanks Matic! Im happy that I dont have to eat a broom!

My pleasure

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2009 6:24:45

Jim Opfer

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Güiro)

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any idea how the final rajeo should go?

a m i down with last 'i' up (four beats) then triplets.

a m i i, then a(down) i(down) i(up), a(down) i(down)..

From Encuentro Productions.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2009 8:00:21

peghead48

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Matic)

There is a version of the falseta at about 3.30

how does he do the rasquedo at the end ,sounds like machine gun

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2009 10:20:16

bursche

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Doitsujin)

If that had been Florian on the recording...

What the hell is he doing at the moment, does anyone know?
I wanted to ask him if he allows me to participate.

If that had been Florian...

I could never beat that in a challenge against him

But I don't have to be better than Moraito I think

- As far as I can see he executes the rasgueado just with a and m, but a powerful yet precise rasgueado will work with any fingering I suppose.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2009 11:45:33

Stu

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to bursche)

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Could it be that he started the challenge and mobilized all the members only to jump of when its running, to show all people that hes done with the foro?

That would be some poetic stuff if it's true!!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2009 16:49:20

val

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Stu)

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jump of when its running

He's not done that horse thing yet has he?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2009 17:14:35

Florian

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to val)

lol you guys

are funny...

I am sorry i kind of dissapeared i was exausted...i am doing 2 workshops atm with a dancer from spain and one of the cajon players from the solo compas series..

doing Guajiras and Cantinas...but i am basicaly playing from 10 am to 9 pm at night...on workshops..privates, lessons...then we also have our time with them where they look at our own choreographies and make suggestions and give us ideas and criticize us..( and then theres also the stuff i have to practice at home for the next day...eg. tonight...the chords to Miguels Poveda Cantinas)

its great but man i am exausted....my hands are about to drop off...its finishing at the end of this week..

Its not me on the audio...sorry i didnt realize there was 2 versions of that Moraito ...i just have this one...i didnt check the tab closely since i never intended to take part( just asumed it was the same one)...just too much on my plate.. but i thought everyone had the same version and i didnt needed to specifie that it wasent me i thought it was obvious....sorry for the confusion...

Pimientito would you be so kind as to transcribe that picado for those guys ?...

Bruche it is not for me to decide amigo..it is up to you..but yes the whole idea of a challenge is so that it is a challenge...and anyone playing it allready before the challenge does have an slight advantage..

but i will not tell you what to do...I am just helping out with the organising part to get it started...i am not the boss...ask the guys you are compeating against..

I am happy either way

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Pimientito

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Florian)

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i didnt realize there was 2 versions of that Moraito

Me neither. Where is your version from Flo? The album "morao y oro" has been deleted now so it sounds like a newer recording.

Im also slightly relieved to learn that it was in fact Moraito playing on your upload. You sounded exactly like a jerez gypsy

here is the original that faucher transcribed.....Ill get on to the tab

Edit- Fauchers tab is correct for this version. Theres a note different in the other upload

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 2:53:55

Florian

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Pimientito)

My version is from 1992...Morao Y Oro...it might be a remake ?

i dont know if that helps any..

quote:

Im also slightly relieved to learn that it was in fact Moraito playing on your upload. You sounded exactly like a jerez gypsy

lol no i picked this for that reason...looking at the tab it seems eazly atainable but like i said earlyer the thing that will decide if someone wins this or not is special attention to detail..

thanks mate

I listened to this version..

yeah the other seems to have more aire ...i hear applause at the end so it might be a live recorded version...but to be honest i think it might have stil been recorded in a studio and they added the applause...i dont doubt that moraito can do it that perfect live...but the sound the jaleo the audio qualitie is too good for it to be a straight live recording..but who knows...but each track of the album each note is perfect too

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 3:20:00

Pimientito

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Florian)

Weird! my recording is from 1992 "Morao y oro" as well. Mind you I bought it around 94 so its an original issue.

I was going to upload a slow version of the run with the timing broken down and then realised that took away the whole point of the challenge.
I will say that Fauchers tab fits my upload perfectly. On Flos upload the run starts with little finger on 4th string 7th fret. After that you have to listen to it many times until the phrase sticks in your memory.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 3:57:15

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Pimientito)

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ORIGINAL: Pimientito

Weird! my recording is from 1992 "Morao y oro" as well. Mind you I bought it around 94 so its an original issue.

I was going to upload a slow version of the run with the timing broken down and then realised that took away the whole point of the challenge.
I will say that Fauchers tab fits my upload perfectly. On Flos upload the run starts with little finger on 4th string 7th fret. After that you have to listen to it many times until the phrase sticks in your memory.

That version of Morao is live from some festival. Someone linked to the Narada compilation that is was on (Fire and Grace), but I believe the ORGINAL compilation that had that recording was from one of the "jovenes Flamencos" series from years ago. For sure his live performance is superior to the Morao y Oro version.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 4:57:28

bursche

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Florian)

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Bruche it is not for me to decide amigo..it is up to you..but yes the whole idea of a challenge is so that it is a challenge...and anyone playing it allready before the challenge does have an slight advantage..

i am not the boss...ask the guys you are compeating against..

At least I had to re-learn it...
Took me one day.
But that doesn't mean I can play it beautifully yet

Shall I ask Moraito...?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 6:48:25

Pimientito

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to bursche)

Bursche - It doesnt sound like much of a challenge for you if you can get this in a day.

You won't feel good about winning when there are real intermediate players struggling very hard to learn this. Why not let some of the more inexperienced players have a go at getting a prize and put yourself in the advanced challenge with players in your class?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 7:46:45

bursche

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Pimientito)

Thats a word...Of course I wont send something in if it bothers anyone
- wasn't sure which level it would represent.

I just always think little of my abilities, because it's just one year ago that I started to take lessons.

Time to warm up for the advanced challenge

Yeah

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 10:58:54

Pimientito

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to bursche)

It's up to you. Noone can tell you what you can and cant do and I think EVERYONE who is any good underates their abilities. If you think you are intermediate then please enter, but if you know you are semi pro level entering at an amateur level there isn't much point. There is no challenge in doing something you find easy

I remember a friend of mine who was the lead vocalist from the musical "Cats" going into a karaoke bar and sang so good that noone wanted to follow her. IMO anyone that can play this in a day or 2 is above intermediate level regardless of how long they have been having lessons.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 11:17:26

Arash

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Matic)

Join the beginner competition and finish them Bursche

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 11:30:29

Stu

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Arash)

Bursche, a year of lessons and you can play this after a day?????

Jeez man...who's your teacher??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2009 13:37:41

bursche

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Stu)

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Jeez man...who's your teacher??

Even if it seemed a bit ironic...

Here you can hear some samples from one of his recordings. Try "Tucupita".
He's a great player!
http://www.amazon.de/Fusion-Flamenca-Jan-Hengmith/dp/B00000AUEL

Btw: I bought my first guitar three years ago, so I've not been playing for only one year

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2009 7:58:22

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to bursche)

Jan Hengmith's your teacher??? He's great

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2009 8:09:40

bursche

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to John O.)

Did you work with him?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2009 9:11:01

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Florian)

OK, I was thinking about using the "bulerias sixes fast" practice rhythm for this challenge from this thread uploaded by Edgar. Of course I will have to slow it down to my level.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=32283&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

One really dumb question, should I feel the solid base whumps on the 10 and 4 or on the 12 and 6? I think it is on the 10 and 4? There is the occassional double base whump, assuming I am right, should I feel that at the 9,10 or the 3,4 or does it matter?

Would this be good to play the challenge over, or is there anything else better to recommend? At least this can accommodate the extra half compas. This loop is long enough to work without fiddling and editing.

Thanks for any replies...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 7 2009 14:01:26

cathulu

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to cathulu)

Hello? Am I the only one still working on this???

Paging someone who knows the answer to my question if you please. Am I asking too much when we get 11 responses to "does a Bulerias falseta start on 1"??

Is my question even more silly?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 9 2009 19:04:32

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to cathulu)

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Is my question even more silly?

It's not more silly, but perhaps it's more difficult! Just had a listen to the loop and I hear the bass on 12 and 6. Where there's a double I hear that 11,12.

But you know I'm in the beginner's challenge, so c'mon you other intermediates and have a listen to this loop!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 9 2009 22:05:06

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to cathulu)

I think the loop is fine for the falseta.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 10 2009 9:58:15

Ricardo

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to cathulu)

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ORIGINAL: cathulu

OK, I was thinking about using the "bulerias sixes fast" practice rhythm for this challenge from this thread uploaded by Edgar. Of course I will have to slow it down to my level.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=32283&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

One really dumb question, should I feel the solid base whumps on the 10 and 4 or on the 12 and 6? I think it is on the 10 and 4? There is the occassional double base whump, assuming I am right, should I feel that at the 9,10 or the 3,4 or does it matter?

Would this be good to play the challenge over, or is there anything else better to recommend? At least this can accommodate the extra half compas. This loop is long enough to work without fiddling and editing.

Thanks for any replies...

Well it would be on 12 and 6, except the whole point is that it is 6's, so just 6...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 10 2009 10:30:24

duende

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Matic)

didnt Toddk upload a good loop for 6s? called jerez99bpm or something...buleria de jerez maybe..

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cathulu

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RE: Challenge, Intermediate Thread (in reply to Ricardo)

OK, I originally thought it was on the 6 and 12 (yes I get the 6) but with all the talk about feeling the 4 and 10 in sixes that I thought that it might be there. I think I am overanalyze this stuff... trust the gut.

Thanks all

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 10 2009 10:59:25