RE: Piano Flamenco

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Kate

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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Ailsa)

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ORIGINAL: Ailsa

When we were in Spain in August we went to see an amazing pianist Dorantes.

Dorantes is great, and has an amazing flamenco pedigree, he's the grandson of La Perrata (sister of Perrate de Utrera), son of Pedro Peña and nephew of El Lebrijano and Inés Bacán. And also related to Fernanda and Bernarda de Utrera and Pedro Bacán.

When we won the the best flamenco percussion album for Cale Calé Dorantes was there as he won best flamenco piano album. Here we all are at Casa Patas in Madrid.

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Adam

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Carmen99)

I like how when someone says they don't like the first piano flamenco, Carmen says that "maybe we should pay some more respect for the artists!!!!", but she has no problem slagging off Taller de Compás. I think everyone's more than entitled to say if they don't like something, but if you're going to be like that, you should be able to accept people disagreeing with your tastes just as readily. Interesting character, this Carmen

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2007 21:34:42

Pimientito

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From: Marbella

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Adam)

Hmmm.....My criticism of Flamenco piano is no different from classical guitarists doing flamenco guitar. Its one thing to have a classical player doing an interpretation of a flamenco piece, its another to compose a piece of music based on a flamenco theme, its another to play a piece of traditional spanish music in a classical way...and its another to play music in a true flamenco style.

I am not saying any are better than the other, but if you are used to listening to pure flamenco, it becomes difficult to listen to the heavy rubato of classical players such as Narscisco Yepes or the way Segovia played Asturias because those rhythms are meant for dancing.

When you hear gypsies play piano, the compas is as tight as if they were playing guitar and the music does not sound classical. I know that my ear has changed since living in Spain. Music i once liked, i cant listen too now unless its played with the correct rhythm. This guy (to me)is doing a classical interpretation of flamenco music....very nice playing but not flamenco

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2007 21:54:10

koella

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From: holland

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

Nice to see a photo of you Kate.
You look exactly as I imagined.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2007 22:03:52

Malo

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

Hallo carmen99,

is the player Matthias from ole-flamenco? What about sale Guitarra´s?

saludos
Malo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2007 22:21:35

Kate

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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Adam)

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ORIGINAL: ramparts
interesting character, this Carmen

Yes as a flamenco bailora from Sevilla I was very surprised when she said that it was not her kind of music, especially as she likes flamenco piano. After all Pablo's piece is a bulería !!

Kate
ps Koella I'm glad you think I look like how you imagined I'd look

No horns then !

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2007 22:25:17

koella

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

A strong personality can be deadlier then horns.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 3 2007 22:27:55

Adam

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From: Hamilton, ON

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

No, koella, she just hides them under the hair, keeps them trim - I saw them peeking out once or twice

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 0:23:24

gato

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

Could it be that there are stereotypes of the flamenco that we get caught up into that we espouse saying it could be no other way? To say, 'this is flamenco and that is not,' would seem to be limiting the overall experiance to a particular following or way. The fact is there are many ways to go about the music, they are all valid, and important. That's what makes it great. I don't know why it has to be a particular voice when there are so many great artists going about their music in the way they hear it. There is so much passion involved, who are we to deny the passion of anyone else? I don't know, I guess I could just go about with these beliefs and just put up with it all and say that I am lucky....I guess you could write me off and say that I feel that flamenco is all inclusive. But, I like it that way!

Gary

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 2:56:49

Kate

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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to koella)

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ORIGINAL: koella
deadlier then horns.

I know your smiling there Koella but the word deadly makes me think of nuclear weapons, black widow spiders, tsunamis, terrorists etc. not a female flamenco promotor, then again......

Kate

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 10:35:06

Ailsa

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

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ORIGINAL: koella
deadlier then horns.

I'd take it as a complement! I'd rather be seen as strong than as a doormat

Btw great pic of you with Dorantes - you are well - enchufada? Is that the word?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 10:36:47

Kate

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to gato)

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ORIGINAL: gato
To say, 'this is flamenco and that is not,' would seem to be limiting the overall experiance to a particular following or way.

Hi Gary,

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc more than likely it's a duck. But hey maybe that limits the ducks experience, maybe it wants to be called a cow. Now then what do we call the cow?

Seriously though it's not just me, most flamencos I know say the same thing, it is or it isn't flamenco. There's nothing limiting about that. It doesn't stop flamenco influenced music or flamenco fusion from existing or being appreciated.

Jose Merce for example sings flamenco, he also does spanish pop, no-one in Spain is confused by this. If you go to a flamenco concert the venue will be smaller the audience older and shout ' Olé '. If it's a pop thing (apparantly) the venue is usually bigger, the audience younger and they tend to scream. Oh and the music is different as well

Kate

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 10:53:04

koella

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

Kate, I meant it as a complement.
As long as you don't use your powers on me of course.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 10:57:44

Kate

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Ailsa)

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ORIGINAL: Ailsa
I'd take it as a complement! I'd rather be seen as strong than as a doormat

I do. And thanks it is a nice pic, I'd forgotton about it till you mentioned Dorantes. It was a great night and we were well honoured to have won the prize. Not sure enchufada is the right word here as that would mean some-one arranged for us to win and I'd like to think we all earned it. Sadly the album is not available anymore, except some copies we left in America after the tour which are being sold on CDbaby.

Kate

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 11:04:10

Ailsa

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

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ORIGINAL: Kate

Not sure enchufada is the right word here

Oh sorry, not meaning to suggest anything other than that you know a lot of great artists!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 11:09:19

Kate

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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía

RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Ailsa)

Hi Ailsa

No need to apologise i knew what you meant. Flamenco is qute a small world and after ten years you get to meet a lot of people. I dont really know Dorantes though, we only met that night. I felt like a paparazzi as Andrés the dancer was so overwhel med by all the famous faces he wanted his photo taken with everyone. I took pics of him with Carmen Linares, Farruquito, Juan Carmona, El Portuguesa, Javier la Torre, Manuela Carrasca.

Hey shouldn't you be working

I got to get off this computer and go buy things before shops shut and its siesta time.

Kate

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 4 2007 11:54:08

gato

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RE: Piano Flamenco (in reply to Kate)

Kate,
thanks for your response, I didn't pose the question to just you but the foro and those who might be thinking about this sort of thing; I didn't expect an answer from any foro member, and I am quite grateful. That was the question, 'do we think of the flamenco in stereotypes?' Maybe that was a bit ambitious, since it is rather a personal question that requires reflection. I shouldn't have elaborated and just left it simple and to the point. But it's out on the foro for anyone to read.

I admire your busy life meeting so many people; it must really be quite an experiance.............

Gary

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 5 2007 1:18:07