RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley say thay are a flamenco guitarist

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NEW POLL-When can someone truley say thay are a flamenco guitarist

after playing for baile 10 years and cante ten years

8% (3)

Once they have mastered compas

13% (5)

once they have mastered all flamenco techniques and compas

16% (6)

once they play 'la cucaracha' and yell ole at the end

13% (5)

when they play with true aire

22% (8)

when they can play 'la feria' just like juan martin

5% (2)

once theyve ripped off a car with some gypsies

5% (2)

once they wear the frilly shirts and sing 'po dom pom pom'

2% (1)

once they become a 'guiri in denial'

0% (0)

after completing a 16 hour shift in the captain beefcakes factory

11% (4)

Total Votes : 36

(last vote on : Dec. 23 2015 16:38:33)

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Doitsujin

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)

At the end, could somebody tell me a definition of flamenco?

And the thing with competitions for best "foreign" guitarists .. sorry. This is racistic. Like the last seats in the bus are especially for black people. Or women-football. I cant stand the whole mindset of this flamenco-world. And the strangest thing is, that not the spanish people execute most of these silly statements but the foreigners about themselves. Thats a reason to stop playing flamencoguitar. These discussions never end. Better to switch to other music, no? . I will.

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sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Why does people get so frigging upset about the fact that a flamenco guitarist (gitano or japanese) job usually first is to play to song?

I dont get it

If i wanted to play soccer i could choose to stay home and shoot against a wall or i could join a team and play with others.

No one get upset over the roles or rules on a football field. You have a goalkeeper, a forward and defence. So what the big deal?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:18:35

Doitsujin

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

I think singing is measured too high. Its just another instrument like a violin or trumpet, only with the ability to produce words (And as I told in past, most often it would have been better to not using these kind of poems). Singing can only produce one tone at one time. A guitar is much more efficient and offers much more options to produce music. So its not possible to sing for guitarplaying.
If I wanna use a computer, I dont have to undersand the soucecode of windows xp at first. I just check how it works (and most of the people can handle it without the users manual) and simply use it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:27:18

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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I think singing is measured too high.

You are free to have that opinion if you want, but flamenco started with cante, gravitates around it and still is the core of it. And thats a fact neither your or my opinion will change.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:29:40

Mark2

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Ron.M)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M

The fact that there is now a special catagory in competitions for best "foreign" guitarist is a kind of (backhanded) complement to non-Spanish players.

I'm not so sure, it could be the other way around, like they can't possibly compete with us, so let's give them a prize in their own "league" Kind of like the special olympics........................

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:30:17

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Well the chance that a foreigner will win it gets a lot higher

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:32:10

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

yes but u saying that soccer players born in Australia could never play for the Italian league because the italians were born into the tradition and they won the world cup.

is not so much what u said , is the delivery and the other stuff u said in the process of saying this.

u not a bad guy, and i dont think u mean this stuff to come out the way it does sometimes.
the problem here is that you place too litlle value on the feelings of those u might be stepping allover, even if you were right.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:32:57

Doitsujin

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

started with cante, gravitates around it and still is the core of it.

I agree with you, that the root is singing. But I´m not a flamencologist. Today its just music. The singers on stage of today dont shout their personal troubles out anymore. They do it to earn money and win prices.

quote:

yes but u saying that soccer players born in Australia could never play for the Italian league because the italians were born into the tradition and they won the world cup.

I only say: Greek, european championship. = Winner

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:35:39

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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yes but u saying that soccer players born in Australia could never play for the Italian league because the italians were born into the tradition and they won the world cup.

I just started out saying that i played with a singer from granada in this thread, so thats not quite true.

quote:

the problem here is that you place too litlle value on the feelings of those u might be stepping allover, even if you were right.

Well its hard when you have a gang of people after your blood, im sorry if i offended anyone.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:36:39

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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Well its hard when you have a gang of people after your blood, im sorry if i offended anyone

cmon man , do you really belive that ? who ? am I after you blood ? i just made a thread telling people how great u play and to congratulate u.

who is after your blood ? Ricardo ?

some people had they own questions they wanted to ask of you.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:39:14

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

I agree with you, that the root is singing. But I´m not a flamencologist. Today its just music. The singers on stage of today dont shout their personal troubles out anymore. They do it to earn money and win prices.

There still are some who do, but i dont think they get any marketing. And its true that it has become more commersialized and people wants to cash in, but in lot of ways i think that has to do about survival. And a lot of commersial artists prefer doing the real thing when they dont have the demands of a record company at their throat.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:39:46

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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cmon man , do you really belive that ? who ? am I after you blood ? i just made a thread telling people how great u play and to congratulate u.

No but i think you know what i mean, we pm´d each other about it. I still love you florian

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:41:18

Ron.M

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Florian)

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soccer players born in Australia could never play for the Italian league

Aussies shouldn't be playing cricket either!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:42:15

Doitsujin

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Yes I think so, too. Money rules us, sad but truth.

(In reply to sonikete)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:43:05

JBASHORUN

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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The singers on stage of today dont shout their personal troubles out anymore. They do it to earn money and win prices.

lol, I bet the only "troubles" Paco, Vicente, Gerardo and Tomatito have is what to do with all that cash!!!

Jb

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:44:36

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Ron.M)

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Aussies shouldn't be playing cricket either!

hahaha, thanks for the help, i know i can always count on your support

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:49:23

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Florian)

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I still love you florian

thank you mate i still love you too, even if sometimes i just wanna drive a traktor over your hands

jk

but he wasent after you blood at all, he got fustrated, but he deleted it straight away.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:51:24

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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Wasn't this a 5 page thread last night.

Yeah its almost a book, or we could make a play of of it and have actors doing it in black and white like in a bergman drama.

quote:

thank you mate i still love you too, even if sometimes i just wanna drive a traktor over your hands jk

You own a tractor?

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Yes I think so, too. Money rules us, sad but truth.

Yes, sadly enough.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:51:39

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

lol

i just added traktor for the effect

u safe

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:55:51

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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lol i just added traktor for the effect u safe

There are maybe more people ive offended that do

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 16:59:52

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)

I am saving up for a romanian tractor, pain lasts longher

chances are that it will brake down just as it goes over your hand, and i am gonna need your other hand to give me a push start

list u can do , after everything u said

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 17:03:19

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Dont count on it!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 17:04:55

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)

SEEE what i mean !!!!!!! u have no basic human decency !! a mans tractor brakes down and needs your help, u give him a hand, that is the decent thing to do. this is why we always argue !!

cause u wont push my tractor ...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 17:07:35

sonikete

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Yes, im a coldblooded bastard

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 17:08:44

Florian

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)

thats why the world is in the mess it is today

people wont use theyr other hand to push other peoples tractors.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 20 2006 17:10:59

Arash

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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Florian)

Hey Florian,

just because you mentioned romanian tractor!

About 35 years ago my father lived in romania for 2 years!
His job was importing many tractors from romania to iran. I think the name of the tractor company was UTB "Usiana tractrul Brasove" in city Brasove!

I think these tractors are not that bad!!!
So if want such a tractor, just give me a call! i have good connections

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