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constructordeguitarras

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Aires Linares alza pua section--I ne... 

I've been studying Paco de Lucia's Aires Linares (taranta) with the official Partituras book and the alza pua section, starting at 5:07 in the "video" below, seems to be transcribed wrong in the book when I slow it down. (It could be one of those intentional errors to fight copyright infringement.) Does anyone know how it should really go? Could you show me? Thanks.



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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

I think maybe I figured out the problem: Two bass notes missing(?). At least, the problem at the beginning of the section. There's more.



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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Here you go. In the one below I transcribed in a way that's comparable to what you have.



And this is how I would write it, because it's triplets essentially, why confuse people when you don't have to.



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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ

Thanks, xirdneH. I've kind of decided that with the addition of the two bass notes, all that's needed is more of a couple of pauses--where it goes to uneven multiplets, not triplets or quadruplets. After I practice it for a few days I'll post a video of me playing it.

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Okay, I screwed up. I wrote first fret where I should have said second fret (thinking of the first finger, I guess). And I found more places where the bottom note is missing in the official Partituras. I think I have it now. There are pauses and there seems to be a quadruplet in the Partituras that is not audible on the recording; I don't know if it belongs there but I am cutting it out. I think this is correct:



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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

7:20 he does it here. I feel slowed down the open E note is coming from the left hand while the right is doing the typical alzapua (no double strike with the thumb)...in other words a slur should be written to indicate the index moved to allow the open E to sound and the F# hammer when the thumb is actually only hitting the 5th and 4th etc. Frankly, it is too damn fast for a double retracted strike anyway:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 6 2025 21:14:21
 
Ricardo

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Maybe try this:



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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks so much, Ricardo. I was hoping you would get involved. Very good point that it's too fast for the double down strokes with the thumb. The slurs seem promising. I think you nailed it. I'll practice that. Amazing video of Paco, by the way.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 6 2025 22:25:24
 
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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

That reminded me of this Paco de Lucia tutorial, different taranto? But a similar alzapua/ligado mechanism?

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to orsonw

in that one the rhythm is not triplets, it is group of 4 so the hammer pull has its own space. The other thing is trickier because you hear the bass note but are not striking the string so it is counter intuitive.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2025 16:23:46
 
constructordeguitarras

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

It turns out that Orhan had nailed it seven years ago. See around 2:23

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

At 5:35 he plays it at a normal speed.

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to Ricardo

Is it the same alzapua trick?
Quique Paredes nailed it at 3:51. What a player he was.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 9 2025 23:58:30
 
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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to devilhand

quote:

Is it the same alzapua trick?


no

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 10 2025 15:36:21
 
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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

So, I almost played it the way I want to:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 10 2025 23:58:15
 
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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Excellent. And the guitar sounds amazing!

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to Ricardo

Agua!

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to rombsix

Thanks Ricardo and Ramzi.

Good thing I made the video yesterday because the guitar sold today.

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

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ORIGINAL: constructordeguitarras

Thanks Ricardo and Ramzi.

Good thing I made the video yesterday because the guitar sold today.



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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to devilhand

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

Is it the same alzapua trick?
Quique Paredes nailed it at 3:51. What a player he was.





I liked this a lot.

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RE: Aires Linares alza pua section--... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

quote:

Good thing I made the video yesterday because the guitar sold today.


It's *because* you made the video.

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