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RE: Rumba by Juan Martin
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Rumba by Juan Martin (in reply to Guest)
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I have a couple of Juan Martin videos, his VHS series and his DVD. I think it was really great starting out to be able to see the techniques. Of course, I had the advantage of playing with some really fine players here in Phoenix and I learned some from them too. I think Juan Martin is a great guy for bringing flamenco to places that it wasn't, and inspiring people to play flamenco. I don't have any of his albums, just his instructional materials. From watching those, at least, I can certainly say that his compositional skills (at least for the educational stuff) is quite weak and his technique subpar for any kind of recording musician in this genre. That being said, good for him for making it and for inspiring people and teaching. At least he can speak English and he tries to help people, which is a lot more than you can say about virtually any other flamenco player.
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Date Apr. 20 2006 5:53:37
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RE: Rumba by Juan Martin (in reply to Florian)
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If thats the flamenco sound we looking for f*ck it , il quit right now, cause that had the musicality of beating rusty bucket really fast o.k Florian, now why dont you tell us what you really think! ..... Does a rusty bucket sound much different to a rust free bucket?
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Date Apr. 20 2006 8:01:34
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Jon Boyes
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RE: Rumba by Juan Martin (in reply to Florian)
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ORIGINAL: Florian If it was just some guy here playing that id say that was great and encourage him but when it is this guy that some people (him included) think hes anywhere near the top 200 flamenco guitarists in the world I just couldnt shut up anymore (even tho now i feel like the friend that was at your party last night and drank too much and embarrased himself really badly). So it was you, eh? I would take the marketing hype with a pinch of salt Flo, honestly, he is not a big headed guy. As I said earlier, in a Guitar Player poll years ago he was voted as one of the three best guitarists in the world. That's not his doing, that's what the readers voted. Obviously he is going to quote that in his publicity, who wouldn't? (needless to say, if you had asked the same readers to name some flamenco guitarists, you would be lucky to get more than two names IMO). With the quote that Jim posted about the classical guitar mag article, I think the writer has got the wrong end of the stick. Juan doesn't sing and has never claimed to be a song writer. I do have an earlier interview with him (from the same mag) where he talks about going back to the roots of flamenco - in particular its moorish ones - and introducing arabic instruments as a way of developing flamenco, rather than say, turning to jazz for inspiration, because he feels that this is being more true to the arts roots. He says that few are doing this, preferring to explore latin and jazz influences. I think the article writer Jim is quoting is paraphrasing and getting it wrong.
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Date Apr. 20 2006 11:24:42
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RE: Rumba by Juan Martin (in reply to Florian)
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Hey man dont come back with this politically correct ****, its just not you Flo. The fact is theres a heap of people here that would hold exactly the same view as you and maybe stronger, the difference is they dont wanna rattle anyones cage. I myself dont listen to any Juan Martin music because its not my cup of tea, but be that as it may, im not going to make it my goal to put other people off him. I can see why you arked up because of comments like hes the 'third best guitarist in the world' which is obviously just plain tripe(what can u expect from a magazine), Juan Martin is a like a fossil that people seem to keep on rediscovering.
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Date Apr. 20 2006 12:13:23
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ORIGINAL: Shroomy726 Oh, and I am still waiting for that video Deniz. What?! STILL? Your just too patient Oh, and I think you have understood very well, what I wanted to say. Making a video doesnt change my statement and, only by the way, if you would have wanted to proove it, you would have to ask everyone to do a video, which is, you see it now, ridiculous. Besides, and to close this useless discussion, by making that statement, I said something about THE PIECE and about JM.
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Date Apr. 20 2006 17:52:28
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Florian
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RE: Rumba by Juan Martin (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)
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Just call them closet flamenco guitar players. Being a critic is easy. They have not done much to interest or teach others flamenco but they know it all Thomas..... I have done a hell of alot around here at the forum for free, to promote and help to the best of my abbilities alot more than he and you put togheder did. Are u forgheting loops , and tabs (check out the old tab section, i have uploaded and emailed about 80% of those when the forum started up) started the group solos, mixed the first one, uploading demos of cds that some people went out and purchased, and encouraging beginers and always helping anyone that has asked for it ? Spent 3 hours uploading Scales tablature, Recorded compas with count, Spent 3 days doing videos and exercises, Always trying to think of ways to make this forum a great forum, some members here emai me and ask me for help and loops with counting, and i have helped everyone that asked...(I am not saying i made the forum what it is, but i helped a hell of alot more than u ) Take another look around the forum and see how much i have done, than take a look and see how much u have done. Are you serious ? I havent done anything ? U got some nerve saying that, about me or Conrad whos transcribed more tabs here that anyone else and shared it ith us, who are you ? what have u done for this place ? Let me ask you... What have you done to make this a better place ? Besides making comments here and there, anyone can do that, what actions have you acctually taken to make it a better place or help anyone here ith more than just a couple of words ? And if you have done something have you done it more than me around here ? Has Juan ever done as much as i have around here for free ? I am not an expert and i dont claim to be good but i have reached a point where i can tell a weak player, I havent acctually offended anyone here, but u went out of your way to offend me, yes he has done alot for flamenco but am i soposse to just say that hes one of the top 3 guitarists in the world when i know plain and simple that is crap, even if u knew him ? I am sorry that you dont like it but flamenco guitar has changed ALOT in the last 30 years and in the real world (flamenco dance schools and performances ) that old tired Juan stuff dont fly no more. And no matter how much U guys try to hold it back and cry about the good all days (because u scared of anything new u dont understand) will bring it back. Juan is good for begginers but hes irrelevant to flamenco guitar today.
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