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RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to orsonw)
Nice guitar, thanks for the pictures. That rosette, inspired to a Simplicio, basically was not made anymore after 76 as Faustino started outsourcing the rosettes. It was proposed again in 1989 by the Felipe V shop but then definitely abandoned.
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RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to Echi)
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Nice guitar, thanks for the pictures. That rosette, inspired to a Simplicio, basically was not made anymore after 76 as Faustino started outsourcing the rosettes. It was proposed again in 1989 by the Felipe V shop but then definitely abandoned.
The thing I never understood about old Condes is that they would often, but not all the time, allow finish to cover the Rosette, essentially ruining whatever color scheme had been chosen. If it was standard procedure to cover all the rosettes, I would never have known this. But it is the ones that they kept blocked from color finish, only clear coat, that pop out.
RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to Ricardo)
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The thing I never understood about old Condes is that they would often, but not all the time, allow finish to cover the Rosette, essentially ruining whatever color scheme had been chosen.
The orange finish often ruined the whole guitar not just the rosette
Here's a 1990 Felipe V. Looks like they chose to leave the rosette alone and just ruin the guitar!
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RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to orsonw)
@OrsonW: It's a lovely pattern: later on it was used few occasions by Fleta and then again by Niguel Rodriguez in the sixties.
@Ricardo The problem here is the strong orange: the stronger the colour the higher and unnatural will be the contrast with a plain rosette colour pattern: now we got accustomed to the effect but in the early seventies it should have been a ne flavour. Things changed a little in the end of the seventies when the Conde started to outsource many rosettes in Germany (Karin Rost still sells some rosettes with old Conde patterns): some new rosettes reflected a certain middle-european taste for not stained wood or black and white patterns, with the result that you could apply the orange finish with less concern and without the need of using sealing tape on the rosette in some spray sessions. I like some of them. FeliPe Conde later on rediscover the old Conde and Esteso motifsand offered them in the guitars sold in Calle Felipe V, while the guitars made in Gravina after 1990 made use of pre-made rosettes.
RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to Echi)
I wonder if the Gravina 7 Conde tie block inlay not reaching the ends of the block was also inspired by Simplicio? Here's Simplicio, I have also seen this on Fleta.
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RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to silddx)
The action looks higher than 3.25mm in the pictures to me, and there isn't much break angle behind what's left of the saddle, so she might need a bit of help. I like the tuners actually. Do you know what they are?
RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green la... (in reply to JasonM)
Even later, but I just bought a nicer one, for for less money (risky as I had no chance to play it first) and in much better condition, very similar to the subject of this thread, but one that Echi feels is a 1959. It sounds really nice to my ears, but needed a refret and fretboard planing, and a few other details. I pick it up from the luthier tomorrow, he said it's a nice example that now plays really well. I think I have been lucky.