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orsonw -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 8 2024 15:55:38)

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count 7 crosses back from the fret board. theres a double up on one row of tiles.


Yes I see it. So much for my "more precise and better made" [&:]!
Still I think it's better than the Atocha!



silddx -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 8 2024 16:40:10)

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Yes I see it.


And yet the castellations are even.



Echi -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 8 2024 23:36:19)

Nice guitar, thanks for the pictures.
That rosette, inspired to a Simplicio, basically was not made anymore after 76 as Faustino started outsourcing the rosettes. It was proposed again in 1989 by the Felipe V shop but then definitely abandoned.



Ricardo -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 11:12:40)

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ORIGINAL: Echi

Nice guitar, thanks for the pictures.
That rosette, inspired to a Simplicio, basically was not made anymore after 76 as Faustino started outsourcing the rosettes. It was proposed again in 1989 by the Felipe V shop but then definitely abandoned.


The thing I never understood about old Condes is that they would often, but not all the time, allow finish to cover the Rosette, essentially ruining whatever color scheme had been chosen. If it was standard procedure to cover all the rosettes, I would never have known this. But it is the ones that they kept blocked from color finish, only clear coat, that pop out.



orsonw -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 11:52:07)

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The thing I never understood about old Condes is that they would often, but not all the time, allow finish to cover the Rosette, essentially ruining whatever color scheme had been chosen.


The orange finish often ruined the whole guitar not just the rosette [&:]

Here's a 1990 Felipe V. Looks like they chose to leave the rosette alone and just ruin the guitar!



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orsonw -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 12:08:32)

Thanks for the reference to a Simplicio rosette, I didn't know that.
Here's a 1931 Simplicio:



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Echi -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 12:13:03)

@OrsonW:
It's a lovely pattern: later on it was used few occasions by Fleta and then again by Niguel Rodriguez in the sixties.

@Ricardo
The problem here is the strong orange: the stronger the colour the higher and unnatural will be the contrast with a plain rosette colour pattern: now we got accustomed to the effect but in the early seventies it should have been a ne flavour.
Things changed a little in the end of the seventies when the Conde started to outsource many rosettes in Germany (Karin Rost still sells some rosettes with old Conde patterns): some new rosettes reflected a certain middle-european taste for not stained wood or black and white patterns, with the result that you could apply the orange finish with less concern and without the need of using sealing tape on the rosette in some spray sessions. I like some of them.
FeliPe Conde later on rediscover the old Conde and Esteso motifsand offered them in the guitars sold in Calle Felipe V, while the guitars made in Gravina after 1990 made use of pre-made rosettes.



orsonw -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 12:15:12)

I wonder if the Gravina 7 Conde tie block inlay not reaching the ends of the block was also inspired by Simplicio? Here's Simplicio, I have also seen this on Fleta.



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Echi -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 12:20:31)

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OPostReply.

I'd say The school of Barcelona: Enrique Garcia, Francisco Simplicio and Fleta

BTW: That rosette pattern was at first made by Enrique Garcia, the teacher of Simplicio and imho a guitar builder at the same level of Santos:

https://www.siccasguitars.com/shop/guitar/enrique-garcia-1920/



orsonw -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 9 2024 13:37:15)

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I'd say The school of Barcelona: Enrique Garcia, Francisco Simplicio and Fleta

BTW: That rosette pattern was at first made by Enrique Garcia, the teacher of Simplicio and imho a guitar builder at the same level of Santos:


Thanks. I see the Conde mosaic is a direct copy of this 1920 Enrique Garcia:



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Firefrets -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 15 2024 19:05:35)

The action looks higher than 3.25mm in the pictures to me, and there isn't much break angle behind what's left of the saddle, so she might need a bit of help. I like the tuners actually. Do you know what they are?



silddx -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 15 2024 19:45:18)

Hello, no idea what the tuners are, but they are listed as replacements.

I didn't bid, seemed to risky without being able to inspect it first.



JasonM -> RE: Is this 1964 Conde Hnos green label worth restoring? (Jan. 15 2024 21:11:33)

I’m late to this , but going back to the Conde that already sold, those bridge wings looked really, really thin.



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