RE: 19th century spirit guitar

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ernandez R

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)

Sounds nice on better speakers, listening on the phone does not do her justice.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2023 1:59:47

Ricardo

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)

That guitar could be your defining piece in the future. You should do some more of those. One thing I thought about is if a Luthier could use the verbal description of El Planeta’s guitar (it is quite detailed), called a “vihuela”, (found in Estebanez Calderon) though we know it was a Pages guitar or something, and build one to market to flamenco aficionados. Maybe it comes with a bullfighter jacket and hat or something.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2023 11:51:53

estebanana

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

That guitar could be your defining piece in the future. You should do some more of those. One thing I thought about is if a Luthier could use the verbal description of El Planeta’s guitar (it is quite detailed), called a “vihuela”, (found in Estebanez Calderon) though we know it was a Pages guitar or something, and build one to market to flamenco aficionados. Maybe it comes with a bullfighter jacket and hat or something.

I didn’t know this video was made until it was online for a month. This is from Muse guitar shop in Nagoya. Do you have a link to the text you referenced?

My gimmick is in addition to a suit of lights, a forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2023 14:30:09

Ricardo

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)

https://archive.org/details/escenasandaluzas00estb/page/268/mode/2up?q=Vihuela

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 6 2023 17:30:37

Ricardo

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)

Here is a photo of the same maker as described (José or Joseph Martinez).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2023 12:14:26

ernandez R

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)

“…forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar“

On black velvet, asking for a friend?

HR

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2023 19:56:17

estebanana

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)

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ORIGINAL: ernandez R

“…forged half sized version of the painting El Jaleo is provided with any purchase of my guitar“

On black velvet, asking for a friend?

HR

Black velvet is available

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2023 4:53:30

estebanana

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to Ricardo)

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Here is a photo of the same maker as described (José or Joseph Martinez).

These are transitional instruments with 12 strings before the settlement to 6 strings. They occupy a small span of time between baroque reentrant tuning and standard modern 6 string tuning. It’s curious because since they have 12 strings they get labeled Vihuela.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2023 4:56:26

Joan Maher

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)

A paper label is inserted inside the instrument which reads: Joseph de Frías was born in Seville. Year of 1777. De Frías was one of the most prestigious guitar masters of the 18th century in Spain who had a workshop in Seville, where works dated between 1775 and 1801 came from. It was built for the Spanish Queen of the time and sits in my local museum.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2023 10:04:01

Ricardo

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to estebanana)

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It’s curious because since they have 12 strings they get labeled Vihuela.

I would further offer up a little conjecture that the Gitanos like Planeta (ie, they had a job and some cash, and could get a hold of such an instrument), being musically illiterate (oral traditions), might have tuned these instruments as the vihuela was tuned, as well, in order to play their traditional Flemish music on, as their elders had learned it. Perhaps for certain pieces only…like Rondeña? Or maybe as the trend moved to 6 strings, they started using guitar proper tuning more and the vihuela tuning “almost” dies out.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2023 12:03:38

Manitas de Lata

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to ernandez R)

Huge market on these Parlour/Romantic european guitars... lot of people searching restour and then flipping .... on other hand some people search just to enjoy playing and some flip it later.
The price is on continuous rising from some years ago till now.

Theres a Canadian pro classical player that have a huge collection and does this , restoures plays and then flip.

Found the guy , David Jacques

https://www.facebook.com/davidjacquesguitare

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2023 14:47:34

estebanana

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RE: 19th century spirit guitar (in reply to Manitas de Lata)

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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata

Huge market on these Parlour/Romantic european guitars... lot of people searching restour and then flipping .... on other hand some people search just to enjoy playing and some flip it later.
The price is on continuous rising from some years ago till now.

Theres a Canadian pro classical player that have a huge collection and does this , restoures plays and then flip.

Found the guy , David Jacques

https://www.facebook.com/davidjacquesguitare

I know David, I’ve corresponded with him about his Arias guitar. He’s a great player and I appreciate his dedication to mostly 19th century guitars. He’s also a comedian, but better at guitar playing. I think he has a doctorate degree in music history.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2023 8:34:23