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constructordeguitarras

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High-End Case for Guitar With Pegheds??? 

I have a customer who wants a high end case for the guitar he's getting from me. We were surprised to learn that a guitar with Pegheds will not fit in the Visenut case. Any recommendations? I'm looking at the Crossrock fiberglass case. Does anyone have experience with it, especially with Pegheds?

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gerundino63

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

A peghead fits perfectly in a visenut. Under the lowest pegg there is still more than 2.5 cm.



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gerundino63

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to gerundino63

The peggs are from peghead by the way. Mechanical ones.

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RobF

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Hi Ethan,

I just tried a guitar with Pegheds and an 18 degree headstock angle in a Visenut case and there was about a finger’s width of free space between the peg and the case. Maybe the head angle is greater on your guitar? Also, the Pegheds on this guitar are the older, narrower style, so maybe they are a touch shorter? The case is one of the high end models, too, not the “economy” model, so not sure if that makes a difference or not.

The Visenut cases are great for travel. If the the slipcover is used, they look like a gig bag and most airlines won’t ask you to check a gig bag into baggage and will allow it as carry on. But if it has to be checked, or if trains and buses are involved that require stowage, they sure are strong and do give peace of mind.

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edguerin

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

I use a Bam 8002XLC Classicguitar Case and FlightCover for my Anders peghead blanca

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 2 2022 16:06:32
 
mt1007

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Hi Ethan,

BAM hard cases will work with Pegheds. The soft cases will not.

I use this Cordoba case for my gigging guitar. It works for guitars with Pegheds. Its really nice, affordable and can be put through hell and still look good:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HumiCaseBrwn--cordoba-humidified-archtop-wood-case-for-classical-flamenco-guitars

These guys have nice cases as well. The house brand cases, both wood and fiberglass will work with Pegheds:

https://www.thomannmusic.com/cases_for_classical_guitars.html

Saludos!
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constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to gerundino63

Wow, thanks for all your replies.
Stringsbymail.com, which sells Visenut cases, gives this warning: "Maximum depth of the headstock and tuners can not exceed 3.25 inches. Some friction-fitted peg tuners will not fit in a Visesnut case". I don't know how they measure, so I sent them this drawing of my setup, and they replied that this would not fit in the Visenut case.



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gerundino63

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Well, it is exact 3.5 inch, I measured it. It are also two cushions, so a bit flexable. Maybe if you try with some luck. But it will be thight at this point (if it works at al)

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RobF

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Hi Ethan,
PM sent…

I think they might mean the depth as measured from the back of the neck.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 3 2022 0:45:30
 
constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to RobF

I think you're correct and that's why I sent them the picture. Oh well.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 3 2022 5:30:32
 
RobF

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

I wasn’t going to post these, as I think any manufacturer’s recommendations should be followed and I don’t want to fly in the face of that, but here’s a couple of pictures I took to show the measurements with my case. Kind of a use at own risk situation, however. The second pic is of a Blanca I made using Pegheds, which fits with a finger’s width to spare.






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Ricardo

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

My Sanchis has a steep head angle, such that even with machines in a different normal case, I did not realize the neck was not touching the the center support, instead resting on the headstock. This resulted in the head snapping at the joint twice…such that the veneer and the first and 6th strings pulling were the only thing holding the headstock on. I played the guitar in that state for who knows how long before a string change made me notice the first time. The second time I was aware of the issue and the case fell from standing and I knew the same problem would occur (and it did). Have since glue locked that sucker, but since the issue is the neck support I have rigged the travel case with that guitar such that I support the neck way down at the heel.

I could imagine a similar cushion inside the Visenut would work for any guitar… the thing is visenut and most other cases carve out a little D shape space for the neck to seat in, and this is no good as it lets that headstock lose a couple of inches of room. Something to think about, fill up that D space back there and the guitar should be good.

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to RobF

Thanks, Rob. Looks like mine would have fit just like yours.

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to Ricardo

Ouch! Good to be aware of.

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etta

 

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

I have several "peghead" guitars; they all fit well in Hiscox cases. These cases are light, insulate well from heat and cold and offer great protection even for air travel. The Pro II, mid-level case works well enough although there is a more expensive model.
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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to etta

When Stephen Eden made the first guitar I got from him (2018) it had wooden pegs and wouldn't quite fit the Hiscox case he provides with his guitars. He contacted Hiscox, who told him to bash the inside of the case to make a bit more room for the pegs. So he did. I haven't had any problems. I later got him to install Wittner mechanical pegs, and to fit those on the second guitar I got from him (2020). I don't know if he had to modify the case for that guitar.

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mt1007

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Ethan and all,

Just found this case for 170 CAD, comes out to 125 USD less shipping. Looks like the old TKL cases, cant be beat for price. Very sturdy, perfect for pegs, tuners... and your wallet.

https://www.grandsalondeguitare.com/product/a-104-double-arched-hard-shell-case/

All the best guys...
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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to mt1007

Hi MT,

That case is made by Boblin in Montreal. They make the TKL cases, as well as hardshell cases for Fender, Martin, etc… I don’t think they sell to the public, but the cases are available in Canadian stores.

They’re a good company. Solid cases that come in various grades. The double arched cases are a little awkward looking but they’re as strong AF. I provide a single-arched version as standard with my guitars (or at least I will until my supply runs out, I only have four left. I think all are marked TKL, maybe one just says Made in Canada, instead). They gave me and my nephew a tour of their factory once. I like companies that do things like that :)
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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

RobF,

Thanks for the additional info. Great to get a better insight on who's really making cases such as TKL, etc. For the longest time, I would buy expensive cases. When paying top dollar for those, you start worrying about scratches, dents, cracks and on and on. A case like like the one i posted protects just as good as the expensive cases but without having to hurt the wallet or worry about cosmetics, dents, etc. It is the way to go for me now.
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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Hi, Ethan, did you end up getting the Visesnut, by the way? I have a new Conde peghead with the same neck depth and was also considering the Visesnut.



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constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to bahen

quote:

Hi, Ethan, did you end up getting the Visesnut, by the way? I have a new Conde peghead with the same neck depth and was also considering the Visesnut.


What happened is, my customer--an Amazon software engineer from out of state who comes to Seattle regularly and leaves a guitar at the hotel he stays at--realized that the case he had been leaving at the hotel was a Visenut case, so he used that one for his new guitar and put a cheaper one in the hotel. I packed the guitar in the case and in a box and sent it to him because he didn't want to take it on the airplane. It fit fine. Naturally. (Now he has six guitars at home, a negra and a blanca in each of the three rooms he plays in, or something like that.)

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to mt1007

quote:

Just found this case for 170 CAD, comes out to 125 USD less shipping.


Thanks, mt. I have some cases like that. The only drawback is that they are quite heavy.

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bahen

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to constructordeguitarras

That's a heck of a client!

On the cases, would you say that something like the classical Hiscox case offers less protection against neck whiplash than the Visesnut? I've seen demonstrations of both cases where five to six grown men stand on them, so I think as far as crush force goes, they're both quite good. But I've seen a video of Richard Bruné put an old peghead Conde from the 30s in a Visesnut and then toss the case, with the guitar remaining in tune upon retrieval. Do you think the Hiscox classical case can handle something like that?
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constructordeguitarras

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to bahen

quote:

That's a heck of a client!

On the cases, would you say that something like the classical Hiscox case offers less protection against neck whiplash than the Visesnut? I've seen demonstrations of both cases where five to six grown men stand on them, so I think as far as crush force goes, they're both quite good. But I've seen a video of Richard Bruné put an old peghead Conde from the 30s in a Visesnut and then toss the case, with the guitar remaining in tune upon retrieval. Do you think the Hiscox classical case can handle something like that?


Unfortunately, only one of that client's guitars is from me.

About the cases: I have no idea, sorry. I always treat guitars in cases as if they are fragile. When I ship them, I use a special guitar box, with a lot of packing between the case and the box, usually rolled up corrugated cardboard from torn up other boxes.

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Ricardo

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to bahen

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ORIGINAL: bahen

That's a heck of a client!

On the cases, would you say that something like the classical Hiscox case offers less protection against neck whiplash than the Visesnut? I've seen demonstrations of both cases where five to six grown men stand on them, so I think as far as crush force goes, they're both quite good. But I've seen a video of Richard Bruné put an old peghead Conde from the 30s in a Visesnut and then toss the case, with the guitar remaining in tune upon retrieval. Do you think the Hiscox classical case can handle something like that?


The trick of the visenut, in addition to this bullet proof material of the shell, is the Velcro straps which will hug the body of the guitar quite snuggly so the instrument does not move inside as the case moves. So in this sense, unless the plantilla design of your guitar fists snuggly in the Hiscox, it will not be a good idea to toss it around.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 11 2022 12:42:12
 
bahen

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks, Ricardo. Have you ever tried fitting a peghead Conde in a Visesnut by any chance?
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Ricardo

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RE: High-End Case for Guitar With Pe... (in reply to bahen

quote:

ORIGINAL: bahen

Thanks, Ricardo. Have you ever tried fitting a peghead Conde in a Visesnut by any chance?


No, but as i said earlier this issue might not be about Visenut but any standard case. Check the neck at the heel joint and that it is supported ie TOUCHING the case down there. Most cases have a D shaped scoop for the neck to sit in and that might need to be filled in so the neck is actually supported rather than leaning on the headstock pegs or tuners.

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