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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra
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RobF
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Echi)
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That's interesting Rob: can you say what have learned and why you think the sound is so poor? The problem with the guitar is it’s underdamped and has really bad wolf notes. The bracing is minimal and the bridge is short. The sides are laminated Brazilian Rosewood over EIR and the Brazilian layer on both sides has cracked. Inside layer is OK. The inside of the top is stamped and signed by the maker, but the label is specific for the Japanese market. Workmanship and appearance is on a par with the best works of the best of the Madrid Ramirez alumini, not surprising because that’s what it is. I learned some important do’s and don’ts about resonances while trying to reduce the wolf notes and think I have figured out how to correct the guitar, but that would likely require the addition of a back brace, as it has only two. Most of what I learned, however, was related to aesthetics and workmanship, the guitar was built with a confident efficiency and shows no error in execution. The heel and head carving is beautiful and the French Polish work, which I suspect was done in the shop of a Madrid specialist, is perfect. But, the wolf notes are so strong the guitar’s virtually unplayable - in that sense, it fails it’s prime directive, which is to be a musical instrument. I might fix the cracks, add the brace, and use it as a shop guitar. Or burn it (only half joking). I guess part of why I detest it is because I felt a little ripped off, but also it just really bugs me that such a beautiful instrument can sound so bad. I suspect with your knowledge you might have an idea about who may have made the guitar, it wasn’t anyone you mentioned, but because I’ve just slagged it online, I’m not comfortable with revealing who it is.
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Date May 24 2022 0:18:42
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RobF
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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The photos shows all information needed. I have back up, and proof, beacuse I have the photos of the last guitar and I have this one now. So what are you even talking about man omg. I got the same guitar, he promised me a different one with lower measurements, he did not fulfilled that. Now, I will report you to the admins… Report away. The fact is the photo Antonio sent you of the replacement guitar, the one which I said showed action of less than 2.5mm, and the one you just posted actually confirms that you received the replacement he said he was going to send as the two photos are of the same guitar. The grain and sanding scratches are identical. The photo of the original measurements on the first shows a different guitar. As you said, the photos don’t lie and they prove he didn’t just send back the same guitar. I think the best thing for you is to wait until morning and in the light of a new day reconsider some of the things you’ve said. Seek advice from a local professional. I don’t really care if you get all pushy with me, as it seems to happen on here more often than I’d like and still I’m foolish enough to continue to try to help people. But you’re way out of line in the things you’ve been saying about not only Antonio Rey, but also the guitars he’s sent you. That’s a different matter, and it’s time it’s put to a stop.
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Date May 28 2022 0:40:10
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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ORIGINAL: Andrew83 I told you, its the very same guitar and in addition, the neck itself is NOT lacquered. So its very careless work :( So there is no point to defend Antonio. I got the very same guitar, so he did NOT help me at all, instead of that, he threatened me, he ruined the parcel force full schedule, because he was not willing to be any of THREE appointments he were given...so please, lets be honest...I was NOT slandering. I was honest, and about Tony, I dont want to share my honest toughts about him,because I will probably be banned by using dirty words. 1) The action of the last guitar pictured is 2mm at the twelfth fret, low even for a flamenco guitar. 2) Twice in the quote above you say the same guitar was sent to you. That may not be what you intended, but that is precisely what the quote says in the English language. 3) A normal amount of bone for a flamenco guitar is showing at the bridge. 4) The fingerboard on good quality classical and flamenco guitars is never lacquered. Conclusion: You are unfamiliar with good quality flamenco guitars. Despite repeated instruction, you still don’t know how to measure the action of a guitar. You are very likely to be angry at Antonio Rey for at least a partial misunderstanding, if not a complete misunderstanding. You have insulted expert Foro members who tried to help you. RNJ
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Date May 28 2022 3:44:40
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Piwin
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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Years ago I switched from a student Bernal to a Hermanos Borja. Same as here, it was a "name" series, in this case El Viejin. As I understand it, the whole point is to have a guitar made to specs set by the artist in question, so maybe all this is is just that the specs Antonio likes to play with aren't the specs you like to play with. But it kind of defeats the point of getting a name series guitar if you don't want to try those specs in the first place. Anyway, at first I found the Borja more difficult to play than the Bernal, but in the end the problem wasn't the guitar; it was me, and more specifically my technique. Now when I go back to the Bernal I find it "too easy" if that makes any sense. The Borja is superior in every way. It was just a bigger beast to tame. If there's a chance that applies to you, maybe stick with it for a while and see how it develops. If it's like it was for me, you'll come out of it a better guitarist. If not, just sell it and move on. Dragging it out won't benefit anyone, not least yourself nor the professional luthiers here who are understandably getting frustrated that their (free and generous) advice keeps falling on deaf ears.
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Date May 28 2022 10:16:49
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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The replacement guitar build has exactly the same measurements like the one I sent back, but Antonio promised me, I would get a better measurments that would fit me. He did not fulfill that. That is not a slander as Robf accused and violated me, its a fact. So it was an unnecessary round with the parcel force. My ignorance led me to a huge and very painful disappointment... As everyone has pointed out, Antonio sent you a perfectly good guitar. The action is nowhere near 4mm at the 12th fret; the fingerboard is not lacquered because it shouldn't be; and the whole setup looks very good. It is you, not the guitar, who needs adjustment. You need to first learn the fundamentals of guitar setup, measurement, etc., before you go spouting off about Rob, Antonio, and others. And speaking of spouting off, it was you at the beginning who asked what members of the Foro thought about your situation. They responded, and you did not like or agree with many of the responses. You had already made up your mind that you were the injured party. And you most certainly did slander Antonio with some of your comments, to the point where he might even have a case for taking legal action if he so desired. Three things stand out in this thread: 1. You really don't want anyone's opinion. You are just fishing for everyone to agree with your own preconceived opinion. 2. You are a know-it-all about things you know nothing about. 3. The only thing you have written that makes sense is the last line of the cited quote above: "My ignorance led me to a huge and very painful disappointment..." Bill
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Date May 28 2022 13:34:14
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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Look at that distance again !!!!!!!!!!!!! And of ****ing course, the bone cannot be lowered again. Well, it is a shame that you are not happy. Looks like they have a standard set up for this model. In all honesty the bone has plenty of break angle to come WAY down….as I said you need only maintain angle of greater than ZERO, and you could even squeeze an extra millimeter by tying the string differently (some players are using these string tie things for this very reason). However, a simple check is to remove the bone saddle (I said this earlier) and tune it up to pitch and see how the action feels at zero break angle. It might STILL be too high for you, and if this is the case, as I suspect is possible based on your explanation of the Maldonado, then it is simply not the guitar for you. I am sure you could sell it at normal price online, but from where I stand I don’t believe this guitar is flawed. There is nothing wrong with getting used to a super low action, I know lots of people that need that setup. And yes, they all think that guitars like mine feel like “driving a truck”. I get it, and you have a right to not be happy with that. But you feel cheated and targeted and this is likely NOT the case. I remember when Nuñez picked up someone’s guitar in class and started playing some aggressive arpeggios with barre chords and with that strength the guitar was so low it sounded like a banjo! Everybody was cracking up. But the guy who owned the guitar played it and it sounded fine and normal. So this is a personal thing, yet objectively, there is a better set up for the style of right hand technique. Try not to get upset about it, give the guitar a chance FIRST, and as I said, it should sell used no problem.
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