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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra
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Mark2
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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I don’t think guitar builders take into account your particular hand size unless they are making the guitar for you, in which case at least some do. When you buy a guitar without playing it, you are assuming some risk, especially if buying from an individual as opposed to an established shop with a clear return policy. If a guitar meets a certain standard of sound, craftsmanship, and playability based on a reasonable expectation, it should not have to live up to a particular player’s personal preferences. At that point it’s up to the player to make sure the guitar is what he wants. Not possible without playing it. quote:
ORIGINAL: Andrew83 Hello Guys! I have an update, Antonio texted me at friday that the guitar will be finished on moday(tomorrow). He asked me to settle this once and for all because he would like to get rid of me for good. He was quite agressive, and he has been pretty agressive, unpatient from the beginning. I emailed Hermanos, two times a couple of days before, to ask for the replacement and to lower the strings for me and he refused me twice saying contact to the seller tho he knew I bought from Antonio. Then Antonio threatened me if I dare to email Hermanos, he will end the conversation and wont give the replacement guitar. He told me he sold 30 guitars and nobody had problem with them. I dont know what you think of this, but in my opinion, every single hand is different, we play different pieces ,we are on different levels, so people cant be compared like this. Now, my fear is, that they'll give me a "bad" , not even the same model just for revenge, and I am pointless. I dont have any assurrance, and of course I need to send this guitar first to him :(
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Date May 16 2022 0:19:16
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RobF
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Guest)
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I have the feeling these guys think I am stupid or something. It was me who tried the guitar, so I know what I felt. There were literally NO room to lower the bone, and as I told many times, it was more then 3mm, I think it was at least 4mm. I dont think getting used to a very uncomfortable guitar should be natural. That gutiar was more like a classical guitar then a flamenco. The new one is much better, here is the photo made by Antonio. (My Pedro is even lower then this, without buzzing) I don’t think people think you’re stupid or anything like that, at least I don’t, it’s just that you’ve made specific claims about the guitar’s action when the picture you posted suggests you have neither the experience nor the tools required to take an accurate measurement. So it’s better to just say the action was higher than you’re comfortable with and leave it at that, I think. I really hope nothing I’ve said comes across like I’m putting you down, but I also think Antonio Rey deserves a fair shake, too. I mean, you’ve been playing, changing strings, and possibly putting enough wear on the first guitar to devalue it and you’re now getting a brand spanking new guitar in exchange to replace it. I think that shows a lot of good faith on the part of Antonio, he’s attempting to make things right, and that should be respected. The photo Antonio sent you is a good example of the correct way to take an action photo and it shows the action on the new guitar is very low, quite likely less than 2.5mm. If you’re accustomed to action even lower than that, then I think you’re going to come across a lot of perfectly great guitars that will feel uncomfortable to you. I’m not criticizing your technique or anything, it just shows you’re used to extremely low action. It’s not Antonio Rey’s fault if he didn’t realize that, especially if you didn’t tell him. Again, I’m not trying to belittle you and I know this experience hasn’t been any fun for you. People on the thread have been sincere and supportive, and everyone has expressed an interest in seeing this resolved in a good way. But that same spirit of generosity is going to apply to Mr. Rey, as well. People just want to see everyone treated fairly. I don’t think there’s any villains in this one.
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Date May 22 2022 22:27:02
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Mark2
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to RobF)
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I had a maker refuse to take back a guitar, saying I altered it by changing the strings. I strongly felt he mis represented the guitar. He claimed ignorance, which, given his profession, was absurd. Before it got ugly I decided to keep it. I figured if he was that desperate, he needed the money more than I did. Never play it, and I’d never buy another one from him, no matter how easy it played, or how good it sounded. In fact I wouldn’t buy another one of his instruments second hand either. Once you screw me in a business deal, it’s over baby. I don’t even look at it. Bad juju. If smashing flamenco guitars ala Hendrix ever comes into fashion, maybe it will find it’s destiny. Pisses me thinking about it.
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Date May 23 2022 4:25:47
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RobF
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RE: Hermanos Sanchiz - ANTONIO REY Negra (in reply to Mark2)
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I’ve had a couple of guitars like that, it’s funny how much you can come to despise an instrument. One of them the seller took back and replaced based on me saying I really didn’t like it, but he wasn’t obliged to. The other one I still have, it needs some repairs, the workmanship in it is impeccable and it’s a stunningly good looking instrument, but I can’t even open the case to take it out and start the repair. I can’t stomach the sight of it. I probably will cut it up and burn it. I don’t want to sell it to anyone else, the darned thing is cursed. It was made by a top Madrid maker, wasn’t cheap, and it’s garbage, in my opinion.* In the case of the guitar of this thread, once the seller agreed to exchange the guitars the onus is on the purchaser to keep the one being returned in as good a condition as possible. In a sense it’s no longer his property to do with as he wishes. Changing strings shouldn’t stop a return, but a bunch of scratches behind the bridge or outside the golpeador area sure could. * In defence of the stupid thing, the workmanship truly is amazing, and I’ve learned from examining it. The sound…well let’s just say I’ve learned a lot from that, too, just by trying to figure out how somebody that skilled could have made something that sounds that horrid.
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Date May 23 2022 5:34:41
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