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RE: Building two under influence of a 1973 Sobrinos de Esteso
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estebanana
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RE: Building two under influence of ... (in reply to Schieper)
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Moving on from living fossils.. The next four photos might be interesting for some folks- If I'm working with the traditional glue block system building top down on a solera, ( which I don't always do, but for flamenco guitars so far always) I often fit the glue blocks to the ribs and top. The glue blocks get fit to the arch of the top, usually in the lower bout rim, the upper bout tends to have a more flat top, at least the way I do it. In the photos you see a chunky rib lamination form, I don't laminate ribs very often, but once in a while it's necessary. Flamenco get thin solid ribs. The for, is useful for a second duty of providing a sanding form for fitting the glue bock to the inside of the rib. Sanding the glue block on a swatch of abrasive paper makes the block block fit the inside curve of the ribs. Probably not essential work, but I'm a bit lax about making the glue blocks and cut them off somewhat wide. If I didn't fir them this way there would be a gap behind them. Since this wood is Ziricote I want every gluing advantage to ensure the fit is tight. I don;t think yu have to prepare these glassier closed surface haprdwoods by wiping them with solvent to remove oil or any of that stuff, but I do think the fit the blocks needs to be snug. Perhaps with glue blocks that are narrow the radius of the curve doesn't effect the fit against the ribs so much, but the wide blocks I use probably need it.
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Date Oct. 19 2020 1:39:16
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Building two under influence of ... (in reply to estebanana)
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I’m not in favor of stupid ideas like giving this information to dealers as a part of marketing the guitar. The information is useful in some ways to builders, but guitar buys who predicate which guitars they will look at based on this information are pure idiots. Stephen, I agree with you, in part, but in the long run, since I have been mentioning fine tuning, a lot of recognized master builders have been claiming fine tuning for their guitars in some sort of fashion after the fact. Whether it does any good for the market place, is another story, but I have a feeling that this method of advertisement has started something that has grown over the years to be prominent for the field of techniques to sell guitars. Violins have to be fine tuned........so do guitars. Whether this is just a guitar builder's priority of conversation or held to a wider market for players, remains to be discussed. Personally, I have had a lot of feed back from customers who bought my guitars for that particular advertising, which got their attention.
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Date Nov. 11 2020 17:31:24
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Building two under influence of ... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear Estebanana: quote:
I’m not in favor of stupid ideas like giving this information to dealers as a part of marketing the guitar. The information is useful in some ways to builders, but guitar buys who predicate which guitars they will look at based on this information are pure idiots. Stephen, I agree with you, in part, but in the long run, since I have been mentioning fine tuning, a lot of recognized master builders have been claiming fine tuning for their guitars in some sort of fashion after the fact. Whether it does any good for the market place, is another story, but I have a feeling that this method of advertisement has started something that has grown over the years to be prominent for the field of techniques to sell guitars. Violins have to be fine tuned........so do guitars. Whether this is just a guitar builder's priority of conversation or held to a wider market for players, remains to be discussed. Personally, I have had a lot of feed back from customers who bought my guitars for that particular advertising, which got their attention. I have bought two guitars from Tom because of the way they sound and feel. He didn't tell me what he did to them, except to say the second one took him a long time to be more or less satisfied with it. He said he wasn't completely sure about that until he compared it with a couple of other guitars, and decided it was ready to go out into the world. Both have improved since I bought them. I don't really care what he did to them. Out of curiosity I have measured the spectra of at least one of my other guitars. I don't remember which one. With the world's most complicated and sophisticated radars you can look at a waveform on an oscillosope, or the printout of a test and calibration app and decide conclusively whether the radar, or at least one of its major subsystems, is working right. With a guitar you not only have to listen to it, you have to play it. Not just once but several times, and for a reasonable length of time at each sitting. After that, a guitar that you really like may not interest a different person who is as good or better player. On playing Tom's guitars for a few minutes and hearing him produce some sounds on them, I found them interesting enough to buy. I have quite enjoyed playing each of them for a few hundred hours. I doubt that I will sell either one. I also doubt they will be the last guitars I will buy. RNJ
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