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Cure for Covid 19
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist)
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Well now that his unpublished paper is in the hands of Ted Cruz, who is going to give it to Trump, I guess this is America's process on healthcare issues these days. We not only have the Trumpsters and their band of science-deniers to worry about, there are already calls among the "anti-vaxxers" to refuse any Covid-19 vaccine that might be developed. Oddly enough, the majority of anti-vaxxers do not appear to be Trumpsters (although there are those); rather, they appear to be more on the liberal end of the political spectrum. Hotbeds of anti-vaxxer activity are places like Marin County, California, across the bay from San Francisco. Well-educated, wealthy, and ignorant. These are people who condemn those who deny human activity as a cause of global warming, yet they are just as much science-deniers themselves when it comes to vaccines. There is an Orthodox Jewish community in New York as well. The anti-vaxxers claim that vaccines cause autism. It all started with the publication in the British medical journal "Lancet" in 1998 by a physician named Andrew Wakefield. He used a study of 12 cases to conclude that MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine causes autism in children. His study was later found to be fraudulent, riddled with skewed findings, and, most important in any scientific endeavor, could not be replicated by others. Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine and "Lancet" repudiated the study. Yet, the anti-vaxxer crowd continues to praise him and attends his talks which he still gives regularly. The refusal of large numbers of Americans to wear masks and keep social-distancing among both the belly-over-the-belt-buckle Trumpsters with their side-arms and semi-automatic weapons, and the Millennials (who largely supported Bernie Sanders) at the beach and in bars, has demonstrated the degree of ignorance in this country. The anti-vaxxer crowd that has been lurking in the background will only add to the ignorance. The display of ignorance is appalling and reminds me that we have not come very far from the 1925 Scopes "Monkey Trial" in Dayton, Tennessee over the teaching of evolution. Scopes and evolution lost, even though the fundamentalist/creationists were made to look ridiculous. Bill
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Date Jul. 9 2020 16:21:59
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flyeogh
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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I'd like to forget this but the repercussions just seem to me to be too many to ignore. Here is a statement made by a medical student. I have no information about him beyond what he says. But when I read what he says I cannot find anything that contradicts him. The reason I take this seriously is that I have family members who are very vulnerable and they lap up all sorts of YouTube stuff. I guess we all in a desperate situation get desperate . (Let me caution that I'm a medical student in the US with a BS in Biology, so that's my background in advance, for any context.) Budesonide is in the same class of inhaled corticosteroids (ICS) that researchers have been testing globally for months now. This man did not "find the silver bullet." He's mass publicizing scientifically backed, published information for his 5 minutes of fame. I don't doubt that the medication works in certain cases, but if you read the research articles (released before he ever started talking about budesonide) it's scientfically proven to only work in very particular cases. It does not work on asymptomatic carriers who test positive, it doesn't prevent COVID-19, nor is it a cure-all for COVID-19. If you read the literature on UK published RECOVERY trials, which have been going on since March, they show that giving ICS to patients who are struggling to breathe and needing supplemental oxygen can reduce their risk of dying by 1/5. For patients who are on ventilators who start taking ICS, they can reduce their risk of dying by 1/3. That's the entire study that has been proven so far. However there is a risk with ICS too. Basically, in everyday terms, ICS like budesonide, brings down your immune system response. So while that may help fight against COVID-19, it can make you more at risk for getting other illnesses. (So for all you people who keep going on about how the flu kills more people...if you randomly take budesonide and lower your immune system, you could be less strong to fight off the flu. And if you say the flu kills more, shouldn't you be concerned about weakening yourself against it! So don't do that! :] ) As is pretty much common knowledge now, if you go into a hospital, you are more likely to contract an infection, simply because you're so close to other sick people. So imagine if everyone in the hospital suddenly started taking a medication that severely brought down their immune system to fight off COVID, and then they continued sitting in a room with a bunch of sick people! That makes them more likely to get pneumonia, flu, etc. which all can kill them. That's a serious risk to take! So enough blaming doctors for not giving their patients this drug when they have no idea what the longterm effects may be! And while he's at it, this man is spreading misinformation about other countries COVID-19 responses like Taiwan and Japan by saying they don't use masks, didn't shut down, and have been using ICS this whole time so we should follow their lead. But you can actually go online and look up that... 1) Taiwan started taking precautions against travelers in December 2019, and closed their borders in January 2020 even before news of Wuhan broke globally. In fact, they were the ones that followed up about a potential illness and sent researches to Wuhan to see what was going on. They then told several major countries that there was a pandemic-potential disease in Wuhan and everyone should be vigilant. So the shut-down things he says are NOT true. 2) They, like many Asian countries, have an entire culture dedicated to mask wearing and they wore masks on a regular basis prior to any sign of COVID-19 in general as a protective measure for all illnesses and to protect others from their germs. So the mask thing that he says is NOT true. 3) If you look into the research there aren't any articles from Taiwan that says that they use ICS on a mass scale to treat their patients. The most I have found from the 2 countries that this man keeps going on about in his examples, (Taiwan and Japan), is that there was a published case study in Japan with only 3 patients (not a controlled study, just an observation among randomly selected patients) that ICS improved their symptoms. The doctor who administered the medication and wrote the case study simply said that ICS needed to be looked into further because it may have potential as a medication. He himself admitted that the patients were all very different, had different degrees of improvement, and more. (PS You can look this article up with a bit of digging and read it, though it may not make sense without some medical background.) It's also been said that the Japanese doctors that published this case study have connections to companies that would profit from sales of ICS, but obviously I can't personally confirm that. I'm sorry Tom to go on but lives are at risk here.
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