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A classical piece done with piami fl... (in reply to kitarist)
Yesterday I found a performance by 14-15-year old (at the time) guitarist, Maya Kazarina, of Barrios's "Una limosna por el amor de Dios", a.k.a. "El ultimo tremolo" - but using the flamenco tremolo pattern of piami. And she is exceptionally good at it; the tremolo is so smooth and even (the first piece, starting at 0:24) :
It is so flowing and natural that I doubted myself when I first heard and saw it, so I slowed it down to half speed just to make sure I am not imagining things. In fact, the video has been up for more than a year now but I didn't see anyone commenting that flamenco tremolo was used instead of the original classical pattern.
BTW, her teacher since a bit before that video was shot has been Dmitry Nilov who does have an exceptionally even tremolo. You can see in the following instructional video how he can transition from very slow pami - but ALSO pimi, piai, pmam, pima and eventually (from 4:32) a piami tremolo pattern - to faster and faster and eventually up to usual speed without any apparent 'step'; no rough transition or visibly changing right-hand technique.
Incidentally, he is using the same tremolo piece for the demonstrations.
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RE: A classical piece done with piam... (in reply to kitarist)
Not sure if you have the Nuñez encuentro video, but Gerardo shows these same variations. Also teacher makes a conscious effort to rest the thumb sometimes, unlike the girl and most classical players.
RE: A classical piece done with piam... (in reply to Ricardo)
Ya, I noticed no P resting throughout.
Coming from a classical beganing im challenging myself to use the P rest stroke but find the positioning aquaward Using the middle strings. As soon as I get a groove on I often revert the p free stroke :/
I have been concentrating on the advise you mentioned on the recent thumb thread where one positions the fingers where they need to be fist then let the thumb fall accordingly.
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RE: A classical piece done with piam... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Not sure if you have the Nuñez encuentro video, but Gerardo shows these same variations. Also teacher makes a conscious effort to rest the thumb sometimes, unlike the girl and most classical players.
What's the advantage of thumb rest stroke during tremolo except for apoyando sound desired in flamenco? I would say thumb free stroke is superior to thumb rest stroke in tremolo. Just like sequential planting is superior to full planting in arpegio. I think once you have mastered thumb free stroke during tremolo resting the thumb is easy.
RE: A classical piece done with piam... (in reply to devilhand)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Not sure if you have the Nuñez encuentro video, but Gerardo shows these same variations. Also teacher makes a conscious effort to rest the thumb sometimes, unlike the girl and most classical players.
What's the advantage of thumb rest stroke during tremolo except for apoyando sound desired in flamenco? I would say thumb free stroke is superior to thumb rest stroke in tremolo. Just like sequential planting is superior to full planting in arpegio. I think once you have mastered thumb free stroke during tremolo resting the thumb is easy.
What do you mean by "advantage"? They're different styles of articulation. Sometimes you want one sound, sometimes you want another.
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RE: A classical piece done with piam... (in reply to devilhand)
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What's the advantage of thumb rest stroke during tremolo except for apoyando sound desired in flamenco?
It stabilizes the hand (anchor) and gives an opposing force to push against when you want more volume, and when doing so takes the burden off the wrist and forearm to stabilize the postion. IN the end, it simply feels different to execute tremolo....it suddenly stops seeming like a chore and makes it more fun. THat is probably why there are only two popular tremolos in classical guitar rep and tons in flamenco. Work on it like this:
RE: A classical piece done with piam... (in reply to Ricardo)
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THat is probably why there are only two popular tremolos in classical guitar rep and tons in flamenco.
I heard Recuerdos de la Alhambra is the most popular one among the classical players. That's why this thread has surprisingly over 20 thousand hits. All these classical guitar players have been lurking on the foro for sure.
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Work on it like this:
At 0:45-0:55 Paco does the same. 4 fast grace notes into the bass note. Thanks for pointing this out in other thread. Otherwise I'd never come up with that on my own.
RE: My attempt for Recuerdos de la A... (in reply to rombsix)
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p-mim feels weird to me. I can do it but p-imi feels more natural to me.
Same for me...
I think p-mim followed by p-imi is the most efficient. It is what I have used when I had decided to forego p-ima. I switched from p-ima because, for me, it is easier to change notes during the 3 note tremolo sequence.
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RE: My attempt for Recuerdos de la A... (in reply to tk)
Good job. It looks to me like your thumb is very close to your index finger. My teacher always yelled at me for that and told me to push my thumb away from my index finger. It is something I am always monitoring for myself.
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RE: My attempt for Recuerdos de la A... (in reply to kitarist)
Another recuerdos with the flamenco tremolo. It does not bother me that it is slower. I play it also both ways depending on my mood and the time I have.
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