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jg7238

 

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Rasgueado question 

I notice that when I am doing rasgueados (ami i -up) I'm not bending my thumb. Every flamenco player I have seen bends the thumb. Am i breaking the rulebook? Just curious about this.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 12 2013 1:15:22
 
rombsix

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to jg7238

To my knowledge, bending the thumb usually occurs naturally when using flicking rasgueados because you have to tuck the fingers into the thumb and launch them from the thumb. You do non-flicking rasgueados, and hence you don't need to flick from the thumb (i.e. you don't need to tuck the fingers into the thumb) and hence you power your rasgueados from your fingers themselves mainly, rather than from creating resistance by firing out of the thumb. That is why your thumb remains straight.

Makes sense?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 12 2013 1:21:45
 
FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to jg7238

I think Ramzi explained it nicely, you have your thumb straight because your fingers don't flick from the thumb.

We had a discussion related with this some time ago. Here it is:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=228485&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=empire%2Cstate%2Cbuilding&tmode=&smode=&s=#
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 12 2013 1:31:19
 
jg7238

 

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to rombsix

quote:

o my knowledge, bending the thumb usually occurs naturally when using flicking rasgueados because you have to tuck the fingers into the thumb and launch them from the thumb. You do non-flicking rasgueados, and hence you don't need to flick from the thumb (i.e. you don't need to tuck the fingers into the thumb) and hence you power your rasgueados from your fingers themselves mainly, rather than from creating resistance by firing out of the thumb. That is why your thumb remains straight.


I can be doing either flicking or nonflicking rasgueados and my thumb is still straight. I still manage to do ok with it. ( I just noticed sometimes it does bend.) I guess it should not be an issue anyway since it's not affecting the rasgueados in any manner. Thanks for the input though Ramzi.

Thank you for the link Fred....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 12 2013 6:42:48
 
lukeofgod

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to jg7238

i dont bend my thumb either :)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 16 2013 5:28:05
 
FERREREZAKI

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to lukeofgod

What does it mean fireing from the thumb?
Does the designated location on the picture below count as the thumb?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2013 14:35:58
 
Don Dionisio

 

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to rombsix

Makes perfect sense.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2013 14:40:32
 
mjhoerr

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to jg7238

I was told by Pedro Cortes that you should bend your thumb so that your hand is positioned to play your rasgueo across all the strings and not just the bottom four (which is the tendency if you are not bending your thumb).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2013 15:59:11
 
jg7238

 

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to lukeofgod

quote:

i dont bend my thumb either :)


That's nice to hear.. As long as you are achieving the results then I it doesn't really matter I suppose. I do notice that when I'm doing tresillos (AI then I up or MI, I up) the thumb bends a bit. WIth the AMI-I up 4 finger rasgueado, it stays straight most of the time.

@mjhoerr: Thanks for that... It does make sense what Pedro is suggesting and I'm aware of it but oh well...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2013 19:56:26
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to jg7238

I needed this thread to find out that my thumb goes along with what the i finger is doing.. if the i finger is stretched out (going to high E), then the thumb is also stretched and the whole hand goes a bit lower. When it is coming up from high E, the whole hand comes up a bit while the thumb arches and the thumb middle joint touches the golpeador.

Its such a "mechanized" movement and looks so efficient that now that Iam aware of it I might ruin it
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2013 20:43:10
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Rasgueado question (in reply to jg7238

There are only 2 rules: produce a good sound/rhythm and don't hurt your fingers in the process. Paco Serrano places his fingers left to his thump and never received complains about it :-).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 19 2013 17:23:36
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