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Issam

 

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Florian

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ok now that french site got smart, its only playing a few secs from every track



You could just clean your browser's cookies and/or history and you will be able to listen to the full track again, but that's cheating...
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

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but that's cheating...


yup...i dont do that....OR clean

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2013 23:03:20
 
Doitsujin

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to cigany

So, where do I get this CD? ...seems not to be possible right now to get it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2013 6:59:30
 
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

I was told yesterday in two shops that here in Spain the CD wont be available before mid April...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2013 7:56:07
 
Doitsujin

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

I found it on amazon.es...but they don´t sell to other countries than spain... :(

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2013 12:23:50
 
suniram

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

but also in amazon.es they only have the mp3-version..
I think , the CD isnt yet available anywhere

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2013 19:44:37
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

I came to the conclusion that Tomatito's solo records arent for my taste.

I enjoy his playing on most of the youtube videos (the "legendary bulerias" is what got me into flamenco totally by accident) but his solo albuns have only 3 or 4 cool songs and the rest is... meh.


He sounds confused, the melodies seem to be just sudden bursts of notes that dont have a flow to it, I wouldnt even call it jazzy because they seem to go nowhere.


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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Sr. Martins

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He sounds confused, the melodies seem to be just sudden bursts of notes that dont have a flow to it, I wouldnt even call it jazzy because they seem to go nowhere.


I used to feel the same way of his style vs say Vicente Nuñez Sanlucar etc, but over time I realized his way to compose is with very concise and effective falsetas that don't necessarily need to be stitched together in any special way as they function perfect for context of cante accompaniment, taken on their own. But put together randomly they don't make compositional sense, and are not supposed to. Nuñez for example has very involved sections of music that just won't work in context of cante (unless modified and elements sacrificed), but vast majority of tomatito's music is that way. For that reason there will be different tastes on the issue of flamenco guitar solo styles and that is normal.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2013 15:56:24
 
Doitsujin

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

Holyshitmonkeys! What an awesome album! I love it.

could somebody tell what he plays with Paco in that bulerias? .... The rest is really awesome.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2013 16:02:05
 
Ricardo

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Doitsujin

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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

Holyshitmonkeys! What an awesome album! I love it.

could somebody tell what he plays with Paco in that bulerias? .... The rest is really awesome.

WHere did you buy it?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2013 16:17:10
 
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

very wise words Ricardo
btw if you're not able to get the CD let me know.

here 's a snap shot of pedro's opinion about the CD



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2013 18:39:26
 
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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He sounds confused, the melodies seem to be just sudden bursts of notes that dont have a flow to it, I wouldnt even call it jazzy because they seem to go nowhere.


I used to feel the same way of his style vs say Vicente Nuñez Sanlucar etc, but over time I realized his way to compose is with very concise and effective falsetas that don't necessarily need to be stitched together in any special way as they function perfect for context of cante accompaniment, taken on their own. But put together randomly they don't make compositional sense, and are not supposed to. Nuñez for example has very involved sections of music that just won't work in context of cante (unless modified and elements sacrificed), but vast majority of tomatito's music is that way. For that reason there will be different tastes on the issue of flamenco guitar solo styles and that is normal.

I was just talking with someone about this the other day. I totally agree. In this respect I think Tomatito is most similar to Moraito. Overall, I think that individual falsetas that can exist independently and out of compositional context are more traditional than something that is designed for use exclusively in a particular -- particularly, solo -- context.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2013 22:24:46
 
Doitsujin

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

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WHere did you buy it?


Tomatito sent me a copy.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 17 2013 0:54:02
 
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

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Tomatito sent me a copy.

ya, while he was drunk...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 17 2013 4:10:07
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

Iam pretty ok with falsetas that can exist independently or else I wouldnt even enjoy flamenco I guess..

The thing with Tomatito's style is that his melodies over each chord within a falseta dont usually have a natural flow, it sounds like the melodic idea being developed over one chord suddenly stops and a new one begins on the next chord.

Iam not saying that he does this all the time but thats what my ear captures most of the times he does some modern/jazzy stuff. Its like if he was just filling each chord with some notes which seems to be the opposite of what VA did on his new record, every note serves a melodic purpose there, even in fast passages.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 17 2013 12:57:57
 
Ricardo

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Doitsujin

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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

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WHere did you buy it?


Tomatito sent me a copy.


Well he sent me a PM on facebook that he liked my version of Ardila the best.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 17 2013 16:26:01
 
Ricardo

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Sr. Martins

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Iam not saying that he does this all the time but thats what my ear captures most of the times he does some modern/jazzy stuff. Its like if he was just filling each chord with some notes which seems to be the opposite of what VA did on his new record, every note serves a melodic purpose there, even in fast passages.


I get you, but his general thought of expression is rhythmical not melodic. He jumps away from the "flow" or melodic arc for rhythmic reasons. He has exceptions to that trend, but so does vicente have some jumping disconnected things. Check out his falsetas por bulerias with jose merce, very different style than what he uses on his solo albums.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 17 2013 16:32:31
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Ricardo

I really like that album, specially "Primavera" and it is not the usual VA.

But even more awesome is what he did with El Pele on "La Fuente de lo Jondo", his playing sounds totally different from his solo albuns.


I still like Tomatito's playing but not that much on his solo albuns, they bore me
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Ricardo

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quote:

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WHere did you buy it?


Tomatito sent me a copy.


Well he sent me a PM on facebook that he liked my version of Ardila the best.


Authentic hair..... authentic hair.....

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Sr. Martins

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But even more awesome is what he did with El Pele on "La Fuente de lo Jondo", his playing sounds totally different from his solo albuns.


Well, most of that is Isidro's guitar work (manolo sanlucar's brother). The solo accompaniments are just Isidro at least, and the other stuff duet style probably more along his line than Vicente. Vicente's personal "voice" or style appears for Pele's second album, also much less traditional or orthodox than the first.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 17 2013 19:29:57
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Ricardo

Hmm... that explains a lot

BTW, who's Isidro? Any videos?
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Ricardo

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I used to feel the same way of his style vs say Vicente Nuñez Sanlucar etc, but over time I realized his way to compose is with very concise and effective falsetas that don't necessarily need to be stitched together in any special way as they function perfect for context of cante accompaniment, taken on their own. But put together randomly they don't make compositional sense, and are not supposed to


That's a helpful observation. But am I wrong in thinking "A Miles", the soleá por bulerías on "Aguadulce", is an exception to this? It sounds a lot more compositionally cohesive than his earlier work.
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Ricardo

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Sr. Martins

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ORIGINAL: Rui Martins

Hmm... that explains a lot

BTW, who's Isidro? Any videos?




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 18 2013 12:47:55
 
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

I had trouble the French site. It said you have to live
In France.

Found this though. So at least I can have a listen before I see him play tonight.
http://www.loscaminosdelcante.com/tomatito-presenta-su-soy-flamenco-en-nuestro-programa/

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

The Tangos kicks ass on this record.

Doesn't Isidro play the Taranta that opens Carlos Saura's Flamenco movie? If that is the case then he is a very talented player.

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Thomas K

 

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Harry

Hi guys, first post here.

Does anyone know where you can buy Tomatito's new CD? I'm having no luck at all. Flamenco-World.com had it for a while, but not anymore.

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Thomas K

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Flamenco-World.com had it for a while, but not anymore.


they might not actually have had it at all - see flamenco-world shop thread http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=142865&appid=&p=&mpage=4&key=flamenco%2Cworld%2Cshop&tmode=&smode=&s=#219294

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 27 2013 17:43:19
 
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Thomas K

This site has mp3s: www.mediamarkt.es. I've had good experiences with buying from them before.
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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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He sounds confused, the melodies seem to be just sudden bursts of notes that dont have a flow to it, I wouldnt even call it jazzy because they seem to go nowhere.


I used to feel the same way of his style vs say Vicente Nuñez Sanlucar etc, but over time I realized his way to compose is with very concise and effective falsetas that don't necessarily need to be stitched together in any special way as they function perfect for context of cante accompaniment, taken on their own. But put together randomly they don't make compositional sense, and are not supposed to. Nuñez for example has very involved sections of music that just won't work in context of cante (unless modified and elements sacrificed), but vast majority of tomatito's music is that way. For that reason there will be different tastes on the issue of flamenco guitar solo styles and that is normal.


Very well said.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 28 2013 12:43:25
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: New Tomatito CD out soon (in reply to Issam

Maybe one day it will grow on me.

The strange thing is that Tomatito's bulerias videos on youtube got me into real flamenco but his albuns dont have that raw and exciting feel that I got from the videos. Even the guitar sound on this new album.. too sterile for my taste.


Pa la pimpi is a good example of a great way to start, beautiful vocal melody and then.. nothing happens, the song just keeps chewing itself. In fact I feel that this happens to lots of "modern" flamenco. Anyway, my preference goes to those old albuns where the guitars sound like "plunkety-plunk" and the vocals are almost screams

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