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Girl on bulerías toque 

Some nice bulerías playing



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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

Cool!

If she keeps it up, maybe we'll see her on a stage someday.
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

That young woman is already better than every male player I know except for the seasoned pros.

She's ready for prime time right now.

She does not to have to wait to play on stage, the stage is waiting for her.

Kick it girl.

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

Ole!
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

That young woman is already better than every male player I know except for the seasoned pros.

She's ready for prime time right now.

She does not to have to wait to play on stage, the stage is waiting for her.

Kick it girl.


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2013 9:32:38
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to XXX

Her right hand is already better than yours.

She used hers to play flamenco, you use yours for......

Thats a natural powerful right hand technique. Relaxed excellent thumb placement, no strain. Accurate concise rasgeuado...

If she lived in the Bay Area Jason and some of the other guitarsist would work her into a show for a duet or a solo to give her some experience on stage. Could she manage to hold down a whole show as a guitarist not at this point? No. Is she a very good guitarist who is good enough to present a solo or do some accompaniment on stage? Yes I think so.

I know it's difficult for male egos to not get insecure about stuff like this. I don't stand for it when guys say things like "She plays ok, for a girl."

She plays well, period.

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

Sorry not professional level yet...lot of hang ups and timing bumps, plus I get a sense she is actually reading something off the stand there. A VERY good student for sure, but student level non the less. Now, having said that I remember seeing this vid here YEARS ago, I am sure she is much better now if she stuck with it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2013 18:38:53
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

Read what I actually said....never said she was professional level. She's good enough to play a on stage. I asked, could she hold down a show? No. But she could be to be included in a show.

And why not? Student dancers get put in student shows after a year of study why not this young woman?

Any reason why she should not be included in a flamenco show in the right context?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2013 18:52:18
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to estebanana

^^ its cool bro, never said a word about her. Just thought your wording was funny (poetic?). Im lefthanded btw and no, she does not have a better right hand, but she seems very studious (definitely alot more than me(well, EVERYONE is more studious bec. i dont care about guitar anymore)), so she will have a steep learning curve... for a girl, that is!! (jk)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2013 19:01:35
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

Dude, I know grown men who don't have as good a right hand as her at that time. Not to make anyone feel bad.

Women have been held back in flamenco guitar for generations, it just shows that if given some space women play really good guitar and I like seeing it happen. It has been a "boy culture" for too long, to me it's a breath of fresh air to see young women shredding flamenco guitar.

Perhaps I'm overdetermined to say positive things to encourage this, but someone has to be pushy about it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2013 19:10:51
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Dude, I know grown men who don't have as good a right hand as her at that time. Not to make anyone feel bad.

Women have been held back in flamenco guitar for generations, it just shows that if given some space women play really good guitar and I like seeing it happen. It has been a "boy culture" for too long, to me it's a breath of fresh air to see young women shredding flamenco guitar.

Perhaps I'm overdetermined to say positive things to encourage this, but someone has to be pushy about it.



OK ok you are right but, stop drooling now, she's just a kid.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2013 19:17:33
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

I wish I could play as good as she does.

But I wasn't referring to anything related to gender or that she couldn't hit the stage now. I was thinking more of her on a stage, in a tour, promoting her new CD.
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to estebanana

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Women have been held back in flamenco guitar for generations, it just shows that if given some space women play really good guitar and I like seeing it happen. It has been a "boy culture" for too long, to me it's a breath of fresh air to see young women shredding flamenco guitar.

Perhaps I'm overdetermined to say positive things to encourage this, but someone has to be pushy about it.

if you listen to a flamenco CD (of unknown player) and suppose that you liked it, and then someone tells you that it was a woman playing , would that change your opinion of how good the music was? the pleasure in music comes in the ear, right? doesnt matter what the person looks like, or the gender or etc. but hey, its visually nice for men to see a good looking woman playing, now thats a different story

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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

I like this girl, she plays really good! This video was posted five years ago and it says in the description she was 12 years old back then. Now she's grown up a bit and plays like this:

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

is her name Shirin or Nirish? just curious

as for the Villa-Lobos Prelude ... she plays it very well but a little bit soft maybe?
I mean I saw this prelude played hundred times and its way more aggressive than this

a very impressive guitarist thank you for posting.

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to Elie

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is her name Shirin or Nirish? just curious

I don't know either. I guess one is her name and the other is her surname. Or maybe one is her nickname... It's the same girl in both videos, that's for sure.

EDIT: Forget what I just said... I'm retarded... sorry...
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to Elie

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Shirin or Nirish


Hahaha it's Shirin reversed!!!

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bursche

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Hahaha it's Shirin reversed!!!

exactly what im thinking

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bursche

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Hahaha it's Shirin reversed!!!

Oh my God... I feel so retarded...



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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bernd

I wish I had her skill and technique but what appears to be missing is a bit of emotion and conviction in what she is playing.

Perhaps it's just the fact she has a camera in her face and she is a bit nervous.

I liked her playing more in the 1st video....or at least the song.
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to bursche

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Hahaha it's Shirin reversed!!!

But wait! That still doesn't answer the question! Which one is her real name and which one is backwards?

(It really doesn't matter, this is just me trying to cover up my low IQ... )
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

The meaning of the name Shirin is Sweet

The origin of the name Shirin is Persian

Notes: Name of a Persian queen.

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to rombsix

[qoute]The meaning of the name Shirin is Sweet

The origin of the name Shirin is Persian

Notes: Name of a Persian queen.[/qoute]

Hey doctor , you know a lot about we lot!

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Hey doctor , you know a lot about we lot!


Not really...

http://www.babynames.com/name/Shirin

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 3 2013 6:54:11
 
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to kudo

quote:

f you listen to a flamenco CD (of unknown player) and suppose that you liked it, and then someone tells you that it was a woman playing , would that change your opinion of how good the music was? the pleasure in music comes in the ear, right? doesnt matter what the person looks like, or the gender or etc. but hey, its visually nice for men to see a good looking woman playing, now thats a different story

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If heard music that was played by a women and someone told me after I would not really change my mind one way or another.

As for the visually appealing, well sex appeal is a part of performance to an extent in almost any genre, but in the end it should not be the real criteria you like or dislike a musician on.

I went to grad school at a college that was all female except for the graduate program which included both sexes. I was in a position a lot of men don't find themselves in, lecture classes with 100 women and you might be the only male student in the class. I had to consider carefully what I said and how I said it, and at times many times, I said things that were from a singularly male perspective. When you are around a school of predominantly female students you learn things about how education and gender roles work more than if you're a man in school with half and half male female students. Putting my foot in my mouth is nothing new tome, but put your foot in your mouth in a room full of bright women and it shows up under a very clear and scrutinizing light. =

I was essentially in the position that women find themselves in in schools where there are half male and female students. In a Japanese art history class we were looking at some 17th & 18th century wood block prints that showed these cutaway views of the insides of buildings, so you can see the daily life of how those people lived. The style is called believe it or not called 'Fukinuki'. One of the fukinuki prints was of a brothel and I raised my hand and asked Prof. Lutzker, a female professor, if there were children in the brothels in that time period.

The reaction in the room was very interesting. Some giggles and some very audible hisses which were meant to shame me, and some 'ah has' who said good question I was afraid to ask that.( interesting reactions, right?) The professor though it was a good question too and she explained how life was in that time and that children were or could be an integral part of the life in a brothel. They kept the kids, some of them that were born as a result of the business. Complex stuff, more than a pretty wood block picture of some ladies in nightgowns.

Having been in that position where you have to risk something big to even ask a question. I could have been totally rejected in front of a room full of other students who could have held a gender grudge against me for bringing up such a controversial question, and all that it implies that I would ask a question like that as a man.....I've become sensitive to seeing how women react when asking questions or doing activities that involve men having lead positions or traditionally central positions. You see the patterns. You hear the jokes and at some point not all the jokes are funny anymore.

In the context of guitar women do have to push a bit harder because, not to be snaggy, they really do have to negotiate the pervasiveness of male guitar culture. So I'm just saying it's important to consider that women might have to be more assertive for that space than a young man because young men are given those permissions culturally more so than women.

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to estebanana

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I said things that were from a singularly male perspective


And you KNOW you were RIGHT

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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to estebanana

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In the context of guitar women do have to push a bit harder because, not to be snaggy, they really do have to negotiate the pervasiveness of male guitar culture.


A former teacher of mine (himself a professional classical guitarist) once told me beginning female students were at a slight disadvantage because it took a little longer (i.e. 3-6 months) for the muscles in their hands to develop to the point where they could become proficient beginner players. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that (i.e. evidence to support that claim)?
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RE: Girl on bulerías toque (in reply to machopicasso

My experience lasted over 17 years in teaching classical guitar. I cannot confirm that claim. I rather would say it´s a question of the methods plan.

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A former teacher of mine (himself a professional classical guitarist) once told me beginning female students were at a slight disadvantage because it took a little longer (i.e. 3-6 months) for the muscles in their hands to develop to the point where they could become proficient beginner players. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that (i.e. evidence to support that claim)?


Some people indeed suffer extremely flexible joints combined with un-sufficient muscle power/control to enable left hand gripping. This rare (borne) condition occurs to female more often than to male (you might even call it a female problem). This observation was made by my father who over a 40 year period trained numerous people on all levels . As a rule he always educated both absolute beginners (mostly children) and (future) professionals studying at Rotterdam Concervatorium. From the 60ties to 1985 he focused on classical guitar, in 1985 he changed to teaching flamenco (joining forces with Ricardo Mendeville and Paco Peña). One of there most promising flamenco students was a young girl who was 1 of only 3 naturals that entered this professional flamenco school over the years. Unfortunately she stopped quite soon dude to personal circumstances. I was a fan of here, and she was a fan of me :-).
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