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Thoughts on Technique and Some Issues
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Elie
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 RE: Thoughts on Technique and Some I... (in reply to Elie)
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Pingaloka,
it seems like it, I am experiencing almost everything written there
thank you so much for posting the link
will watch the videos and hope i can cure it
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musical pieces that you could play a month a go easily, now involves a huge physical and psychological effort. Why? When does the brain go click? And why once it goes click thats it, it wont go away?
very very very true
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Rationally I wanted to play, but emotionally? NO at all.
As I played the tension of my body (as the body gets tense when there's fear, both conscious and subconscious) started to affect my techniche. I was not aware of it at that time, but tricky subconscious knew it, and it was already finding his way to protect itself from "ME".
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Okay, you may have decided rationally to keep playing, but I, the emotion, don't want to play so I'm going to start sending signals to the body as a form of selfdefense. eg: INDEX FINGER CURLING while playing picados, arpeggio, etc.
I feel its true because it happens many times that I force and push my self to play
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Focal Dystonia is only triggered when you play the instrument, if you try to move your hand and practice a techinque without it you'll do it no problem! That is one of the reasons why I think the problem relies on the relationship between the instrument and the musician.
very very very true
again thank you
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go check your hand with a specialist check if it is a physical problem.
the point is my hand is the same i don't feel any pain or anything wrong
fingers are in place
the only thing is that sudden curling
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Date Dec. 12 2012 8:55:54
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Blondie#2
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RE: Thoughts on Technique and Some I... (in reply to Elie)
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I'm not quite sure how to answer how bad it is - that's subjective - what I would say is that the longer you have it, the harder it is to fix. Certainly I have seen much more complicated cramping of the fingers than you have, some people are left being unable to play anything at all whereas it sounds like it is just affecting your IA picados and starting to affect arpegios.
Your hand is 'miswired' - the wrong signals are firing the wrong muscles and the harder you try to make the right muscles work the more you will reinforce the incorrect wiring.
A motor skill - like playing arpeggios or scales - is a bit like software. Its a program you have assembled over years of practice. The sensory motor cortex has 'plasticity' - this means the program is not fixed, and continues to change and adapt according to what you are trying to do and what your senses feedback that is actually happening. It is continually learning, in other words. Unfortunately it can adapt in the wrong way, when under pressure.
Fast, delicate, fine movements like those performed by guitarists and pianists (highest incidence of FD in musicians is pianists, followed by guitarists) push this system to its limits, and in certain circumstances push past those limits. For example, sustained repetitive practice of a particular technique, sudden increases in practice time, sudden changes in technique (change in right hand position, the way you hold the guitar...) can all overload that system, especially if there is too much tension present
anyway.
Once something goes wrong - eg a certain finger doesn't flex fast enough according to what your 'progam' is expecting, the brain
tries to adapt and approximate the movement some other way eg A finger is not flexing fast enough, so M finger jumps in to try and
help it along (by flexing first).
Suddenly that becomes part of the program, which by repeating you reinforce. Getting stressed and tensed about it invariably means
trying harder to get the right finger to move which means the same problematic motion is just repeated. Brain scans of healthy
individuals have clearly separated representations of the fingers that 'light up' when these are used. In people, with FD, these areas
are smeared and overlap - visual proof of this rewiring.
Then other fingers/muscles join in as we try and inhibit the incorrect movements we are seeing, what you get is kind of a chain reaction of
paralysing tensions which will develop as a pattern, and can spread to other similar movements - if IA alternation is causing you problems in picado
then it is not surprising that I followed by A in an arpeggio will do the same thing.
You have to rewire your hand, rebuild the correct picture of where everything is. That means ultra slow practice under the threshold
at which the dystonic movement occurs, between different finger combinations and different techniques. Eg if for you M is
involuntarily flexing in IA picado I would forget about IA picado for starters, I would be re-training MA and IM, IMAM, free and rest stroke
for example, to rebuild those different relationships. Arp combos too.
Psychology plays a big part in recovery too, as it does in learning any motor skill.
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It's evil, I tell you... EVIL! 
i strongly suspect it has a poetic meaning for yourself only. Extending your pinky is probably just something you do when you play picado... ie. it's incidental not causal 
