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rombsix

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List of techniques to practice 

Hey folks,

I thought about compiling a list of all the techniques I have come across in my flamenco journey, and which I have practiced at one point or another. The idea is to develop a routine whereby one goes through all the techniques in a systematic fashion without forgetting anything.

Here is the list:



I like to start off with rumba strumming patterns because they don't require a lot of precision, and they get the hand moving and warmed up. Then, I go on to practice one technique that uses mostly flexors, then another that uses mostly extensors, so as not to strain one muscle group.

If any of the techniques listed is not clear to you, please let me know so I can explain what I meant.

Do you think I've forgotten anything? If so, please help me fill in the blanks.

Cheers!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 9:52:44
 
constructordeguitarras

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

Hi, Rombsix.
(Rombsix? Oh, well.)
Thanks for posting your list. I presume rasgueados without flicking means without cocking the fingers on the palm? And withouth thumb (pulgar) means without resting the thumb on a bass string? But Pulgar noodling?? I can't figure that out. Makes me hungry (I love noodles). Please clarify. Thanks.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 15:35:47
 
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

I really like lists...thanks Ramzi

Now I haven't yet come across anything called Capirote in my flamenco foray so far. Do you mind if I ask what it refers to? Something to do with using a capo maybe?

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XXX

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

youve written all of them words wrong

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 16:21:27
 
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to Pawo

Just did a forum search for Capirote....got it now...a golpe on tapa above strings....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 16:30:26
 
rombsix

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to XXX

Ethan - rombsix refers to R-O-M-B which are my initials, and the number "six" which is my favorite number. I sometimes use romb6 instead.

Pulgar noodling is basically doing alzapua on a single string, simulating the "Oud" instrument sound where you use the "reesha" to pick up and down alternately and fast on a single string. It is done here at 2:35 in the video.



This explains what rasgueados "without flicking" are.



Rasgueados without the thumb are those where you only attack the strings with index, middle, ring, or little finger. The thumb does not attack the strings. For example, the abanico rasgueado (thumb up, middle down, thumb down) is called a "rasgueado WITH using the thumb." I hope this clears things up.

Deniz -

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 16:37:23
 
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

Lebanese accent rocks in both arabic and english I love it !

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

Thanks for the explanations, Ramzi.
I had only heard of noodling with regard to the cello, where it seemed to mean testing the instrument with long bow strokes. I wonder how the name capirote came about for the upper tap; it also means the conical hats that flaggellants use in Holy Week processions in Sevilla. Maybe it is also pointed as in emphatic.
Best wishes to you.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 17:16:21
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

quote:

ORIGINAL: rombsix

Here is the list:



Cheers!


The "sweeps" are known as arrastre. I finish mine with the a-a-a-a-a sweep.

Ligados, for those who don't know, refer to any instance where the strings are not played by the rhythm hand, but made to sound with the neck hand. So, hammer-ons, pull-offs, slides, bends, are all ligado techniques.

I consider "pulgar noodling" (LOL) to fall under the Alzapúa category. The term means "lifting" and indeed refers to strumming (or picking) upwards with the thumb.

Rasgeuados with pulgar can still be categorized as rasgueados

I used to call the Capirote technique "death from above" LOL

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 17:21:15
 
rombsix

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to El_Tortuga

Hey Bob,

I'm so happy to see you participating on the foro. You are a great flamenco and superb teacher, and having you hear will only contribute positively to this environment, as your site has duly already shown. Olé!

The reason I use "sweeps" is because there are two techniques included under that heading. They both allow you to play the same notes and achieve a similar effect, but each one is quite different from the other. I know about arrastre, but decided NOT to include it because if I were to have an "arrastre" heading, then I would still have to mention another heading which is "sweeps" considering that the pppimamimip technique would NOT fall under arrastre. Do you agree?

Noodling does NOT fall under alzapua because to me, alzapua involves hitting a bass string with a down stroke of pulgar, then hitting one or more adjacent strings with another down stroke of pulgar, and THEN going up with the back of the pulgar nail. That is three motions. However, noodling involves only two motions on a single string - down with pulgar and up with back of pulgar nail. This is why it was considered separate. Do you agree?

I consider rasgueados as two categories (those with pulgar, and those without pulgar) because Oscar Herrero does so in his Paso a Paso series (Volume I). And I just don't want to argue with Oscar (he is very tall, and I'm afraid he will just stomp me if I were to upset him). Do you concur?

Cheers mi amigo!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 17:46:03
 
rombsix

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to kudo

Glad you like the accent, Kudo.

Cheers, Ethan!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 17:49:43
 
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

I'm not going to argue with Oscar.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 18:02:06
 
rombsix

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to El_Tortuga

quote:

I'm not going to argue with Oscar.


That's wise, but what about the other two points I responded to (arrastre, thumb noodling)?

Cheers!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 18:18:16
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

quote:

ORIGINAL: rombsix

quote:

I'm not going to argue with Oscar.


That's wise, but what about the other two points I responded to (arrastre, thumb noodling)?

Cheers!


You're right, arpeggios like pppimamimip aren't an arrastre.

quote:

Noodling does NOT fall under alzapua because to me, alzapua involves hitting a bass string with a down stroke of pulgar, then hitting one or more adjacent strings with another down stroke of pulgar, and THEN going up with the back of the pulgar nail. That is three motions. However, noodling involves only two motions on a single string - down with pulgar and up with back of pulgar nail. This is why it was considered separate. Do you agree?


The 3 motions you mention are definitely alzapúa. But I think alzapúa can include upward picking as well as upward strumming. But that's my own opinion. I'm going to post some alzapúa videos soon.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2012 18:28:54
 
rombsix

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to El_Tortuga

quote:

The 3 motions you mention are definitely alzapúa. But I think alzapúa can include upward picking as well as upward strumming. But that's my own opinion. I'm going to post some alzapúa videos soon.


Awesome.

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

quote:

ORIGINAL: rombsix

quote:

The 3 motions you mention are definitely alzapúa. But I think alzapúa can include upward picking as well as upward strumming. But that's my own opinion. I'm going to post some alzapúa videos soon.


Awesome.


Hey I think I already mentioned? Lebanon is "the old country" for my mother's side of the family – Hadeth el Joubbeh, to be precise.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2012 1:03:31
 
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

Not too much theory...otherwise the music becomes robotic.. . . . .. . .wait a minute Romb!!! ;D
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

Not too much theory...otherwise the music becomes robotic.. . . . .. . .

Rombotic...? (That should be a good thing)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2012 1:54:30
 
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otherwise the music becomes robotic.. . . . .. . .wait a minute Romb!!! ;D

Rombotic is something of the past for the new fresh El Rumbero , his trip to the USA got rid of his robotic playing , somehow , I hope he keeps it up that way!

wala enta 3ala rasi ya ramzi Khekhaaayy!

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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to rombsix

Good advice I was given once is to make a list of techniques, starting with what's most comfortable at no. 1, and by the bottom of the list techniques that are really giving you grief. Then reverse the order of the list, and make the new list your practice routine.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2012 3:29:36
 
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RE: List of techniques to practice (in reply to El_Tortuga

Bob - awesome! You should visit!
Doit - :P
Estevan - :P
Kudo - thanks mate!
Alo - thanks for the tips!

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