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I discovered this site by chance, I don't know if it's legal or not, you can listen to songs online. I was looking for a flamenco piece from Pepe Habichuela on Youtube, nothing came up, then I did a search and it brought up this site. I did a couple of song searches and many came up, some did not. But still still, I was impressed to find so much Flamenco. Pretty wild collection.
NICE! I found stuff of carmen amaya singing from a cd I had lost last year.
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All major music labels are suing Grooveshark
that is rubbish. we are talking here about air vibrating in frequencies that reach our ears and which our brains transform into a certain contentiousness. air is free and every body's. you can't charge for air being moved by a speaker that you purchased yourself.
especially with music that was played by artists, recorded by technicians, published by people that are dead right now. if you compare it to old historical buildings for example: you could pay to get into a touristic historical building. the makers of this building are dead, but it is being maintained by people who charge for the maintaining and stuff. Old music on the other hand is made once, and it's there. if the people from a website transfer music from a record they bought to mp3 and offer that to listeners there should be no one saying that somebody have to pay anything.
I always offer my songs free on my website for download. At shows I charge 5 euro's for a cd. that's after discovering that people really like to pay for a cd, because like that they want to express their thank more
get real people and loose this elite kind of thing. listening to music seems to be a really snobbish thing. cd's are expensive. people who don't have 24,99 euro for a duquende cd, what? they are not alaught to listen to duquende??
in the end the "music industry" could never "die". because it's a part of a modern musician to express your music in theaters, bars, venues and in a recorded form. every musician will have a strong need for that. with or without production and distribution companies. set up a home studio or what ever. distrubution is not a problem anymore nowdays with internet. I'd be glad if these people who have no artistic needs, but only money needs will bleed out of money and some bad companies dissapear. it will only make musicians even more creative (the way they produce, record and distribute their own music themselfs
Instead of Grooveshark with its messy interface, dubious legality and probably rather short-lived future, try to get a Spanish account with Spotify (hint: proxy services will help you with that), the amount of flamenco on there is insane.
Well that only matters for those outside Spain since Spotify checks your IP and if it's not coming from the country you signed up with, it will block your account (due to licensing issues). Spotify also officially supports a bunch of other countries (US, Sweden, etc) but a lot of the flamenco albums are only available with a Spanish account (again due to rights and licensing stuff I presume)
On UK spotify account there is a huge amount of flamenco available, but some albums, like the Paco/Camaron albums, have only become available in the last year or so. The free account, is something like 10 hours or music per month, max five times listening to an individual track, and many (annoying) adverts. Still very useful service considering it's legal (as far as I know).
However would be interested to know what it is like for musicians who have their material on there, what, if any, the returns are like.
Yes maybe it should be clarified that the other countries also have huge amounts of flamenco. But when I came back from Spain and my Spanish account expired I noticed that a lot of the albums I had found in the Spanish Spotify weren't available anymore.
Anyway from what I heard the returns for artists and smaller labels are supposedly pretty bad. Still it's better than straight up pirating which is what you're doing when listening to Grooveshark (not saying that it's deathly sin, just noting there's a somewhat better option available)
set up a home studio or what ever. distrubution is not a problem anymore nowdays with internet. I'd be glad if these people who have no artistic needs, but only money needs will bleed out of money and some bad companies dissapear. it will only make musicians even more creative (the way they produce, record and distribute their own music themselfs
Ok sure...and how are the poor ass flamenco guitarists say that are not gigging much, supposed to fund their home studio so they can dish out tons of inspired creative music for FREE download to the world?? Only teaching annoying foreign students and selling drugs???
Sorry man, totally disagree....go out and BUY some music please guys. How can you not have 20 euros for a CD? Unless you are starving on the street, if you really like the music make an effort and support the art.
set up a home studio or what ever. distrubution is not a problem anymore nowdays with internet. I'd be glad if these people who have no artistic needs, but only money needs will bleed out of money and some bad companies dissapear. it will only make musicians even more creative (the way they produce, record and distribute their own music themselfs
Ok sure...and how are the poor ass flamenco guitarists say that are not gigging much, supposed to fund their home studio so they can dish out tons of inspired creative music for FREE download to the world?? Only teaching annoying foreign students and selling drugs???
Sorry man, totally disagree....go out and BUY some music please guys. How can you not have 20 euros for a CD? Unless you are starving on the street, if you really like the music make an effort and support the art.
Ricardo
the text that you didn't quote along says: "in the end the "music industry" could never "die". because it's a part of a modern musician to express your music in theaters, bars, venues and in a recorded form. every musician will have a strong need for that. with or without production and distribution companies."
so this is really worst case senario thinking. I agree with you about the poor flamenco guitarist. maybe I'm thinking too much from my own situations. anyway, sorry for that.
How can you not have 20 euros for a CD? Unless you are starving on the street, if you really like the music make an effort and support the art.
with 20 euros I can eat all week. at the moment only the rich people are buying cds, in the corte ingles (by the way the corte ingles really made a nasty monopoly move on the recordshops in spain. there are hardly ones left).
a duquende cd is 24,99 euro. I ve been wanting to buy it for two years. every time I'm standing in a record shop wanting to buy it, I can't because I do think that is a lot of money. I don't live on the streets I did two university studies parallel and one at the conservatory. That's the snobism that I am talking about.
edit anyway, never mind my opinion. that's just me and my wallet. always fighting with her. I own tons of cd's and lp's myself so
a duquende cd is 24,99 euro. I ve been wanting to buy it for two years. every time I'm standing in a record shop wanting to buy it, I can't because I do think that is a lot of money. I don't live on the streets I did two university studies parallel and one at the conservatory. That's the snobism that I am talking about.
Just buy it....sheesh.....or take a trip up to madrid and get from flamenco vive.
Yo he hecho 2 discos de flamenco, con MI dinero. Con el primero (Juan Silva, 1999) sabía que solo tenía un mercado dentro de Cádiz. Hice 1,000 copias. Con 400 recuperé mi dinero y regalé los demás a Juan y el los vendía. Así Juan cobró 6,000 euros. No existe un casa de discos que le habría pagado tanto.
En 2009, hicé lo mismo con mi amigo José Millán. El disco me costó 6,000 euros y no se vendía porque todo el mundo lo copía con su ordenador. Así, perdí dinero, y no pienso en repetir ese error. Tampoco ha ganado José.
Desde este punto de vista, los piratas al carajo!!!!!!!!!
I receive royalties from Spotify, and they amount to a penny or two here and there. At least they do pay something though.
Its all fine for some to think that musicians should give away music, but where do you get the money to record it, mix and master it, and replicate the CD's for those who still want to buy a product?
Gigs don't pay what they used to, there aren't as many as there once was, and the price of CD's here in the U.S have gone down. Musicians used to sell a CD for $15 or $20 10 years ago, now they mostly sell for $10 or $15. Its funny, the price of most things has went up in the last 10 years, but there is less money from gigs and less money in album sales, so what are musicians to do?
Having said that, I don't see a problem with a service streaming music. Streaming music is a lot different than giving someone a free download. People using file sharing to put music on the internet is the big problem. I'll go on record and say that I have probably gotten a thing or two from file sharing that I shouldn't have, and that wasn't the right thing to do... I decided that I just didn't want to live like that.
People just don't think about things... There was a DJ here who was supposed to be my friend, and I'll be damned, I started looking at some of the file sharing sites and he had uploaded my music for the world to get for free! What kind of friend is that? If it wasn't for music this guy wouldn't have had a job spinning records on the radio, and how does he show his thanks? By giving away the means that other people use to make a living! I had a record label who owed me a lot of money for album sales, and they hadn't paid. They hadn't paid because they were slowly and silently going out of business... So here I am not being paid by the label and with a "friend" uploading my music to everyone and their brother to have for free! And I was the only one who seemed to have a problem with it. The label didn't have a problem with not paying any of its artists for product sold, and the DJ thought he was helping musicians out by sharing their music with the world. No one took the time to consider my $20000 investment in recording and musicians, plus all the time I took making the record...
I've listened to your CD on Spotify. Good effort, although it's a little too 'easy listening' for my taste. I must object to your cover art -- the font is especially horrendous.
I realize you didn't ask for criticism. I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes.
Anyway, I was wondering - does Spotify pay you each month regardless of the amount of listens your tracks get, or is it similar to getting royalties (you get a certain amount each time someone listens to a track)?
Ricardo's CD is also on Spotify. Sorry man -- I won't be buying it. The bright side is I won't be downloading it from 4shared either. =P
I used to download a lot of music (have over 40 gigs - none paid for) but as I've matured into a responsible(?) adult with an income I feel that I should support the artists and pay for their music. The only problem is that it's often much easier to pirate than to actually hunt down and buy a CD. Add to that the fact that CDs take up space, get scratched, and are essentially a thing of the past. I think that streaming services like Spotify are the best solution to the music industry's piracy problem. Next industry in need of a digital overhaul - sheet music.
TL;DR - I have no problem with paying for things, as long as I don't need to jump through hurdles.
I have no problem people downloading Britney Spears or Kelly Familly CDs. They have enough money. Plus, they suck, so go ahead and download all their CDs for free
But Flamenco?
I have tons of downloaded and shared stuff too, but i always try to buy Flamenco Cds, DVDs, etc. Even after i already had it as MP3 (downloaded). Unless you really can't find it somewhere.
CDs are not the reason why people download illegally. There is tons of stuff online available for buying. I have bought alot of flamenco online legally as it is less of a hassle with 12 (!) Euro shipping costs from SPain or something . Certain artists of which i am a fan of, i will always buy their stuff. But as a student i cannot afford to buy all the music i hear. More so with software, like Sony Vegas which i use 3 times a year to make videos.
I also think if there was more flamenco available on iTunes or there were other options of a convenient and quick purchase that gets me the music instantly, I would go for that more often. Like Deniz says to purchase CDs online means you have to pay expensive shipping, not to mention the fact that you have to deal with ****ty places like flamenco-world.com.
Anyway, I was wondering - does Spotify pay you each month regardless of the amount of listens your tracks get, or is it similar to getting royalties (you get a certain amount each time someone listens to a track)?
Ricardo's CD is also on Spotify. Sorry man -- I won't be buying it. The bright side is I won't be downloading it from 4shared either. =P
No they don't. I get a royality from all digital sales from CD baby 2x a year or so who contracts out my music whether I like it or not to all the other places. And don't worry, you are one of the few NOT ALLOWED to buy my stuff anyway.
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I used to download a lot of music (have over 40 gigs - none paid for) but as I've matured into a responsible(?) adult with an income I feel...
Your a piece of work man.
Anyway Shawn's story is a typical example of why I am not all bent out of shape over lose free sharing sites on the internet due to censoring or whatever else....I have been talking about this problem for years now, the idea everyone wants stuff free and fast, it's too much. 40 gigs and folks don't really appreciate what they have cuz they invest virtually NOTHING on it. And DJ's acting so high as if they ARE musicians is comical. Been going on slow for a long time now, and getting worse. People so confused why economy is getting worse and worse, blaming some handful of people that are making it like its a big conspiracy. Guess what, if you don't contribute, it will not get any better. Shame on folks even arguing about spending some few hundreds on an obscure art form such as flamenco.
I used to think the argument that the artist is dead was a legit line of reasoning for the music to be super cheap or that it didn't matter if it was pirated. But it only take s a little bit of thought to realize that much of the old music is curated and distributed by specialty labels and that is ALL they do. If you don't buy the stuff the labels go under. Most of them run on a shoestring as it is by people who are more interested in preserving the music than getting rich.
The other factor here is that old, dead-guy music is often embroiled in legal battles. One lawsuit can kill a label, and all too often the winning party puts the music on a shelf and doesn't release it. Why? Not enough demand. Eventually your free music will dry up when you are talking about old and hard to find stuff that has a small audience. That is the music (like flamenco and old blues) that needs the support of sales more than any other music.
However, there is the situation where something has been out of print for years and is selling for outrageous money on the internet and the average music buyer is screwed by a person that happens to have said music. Then what? Is it an argument in favor of piracy as an act of rebellion against one who is unjustly gouging the public for hard to get music? Or are we just supposed to accept that it is out of print and wait patiently for it to be re-released?
ORIGINAL: Ricardo don't worry, you are one of the few NOT ALLOWED to buy my stuff anyway.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
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I am not all bent out of shape over lose free sharing sites on the internet due to censoring or whatever else
It's not the sharing sites that people were worried about, it's the actual censoring.
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DJ's acting so high as if they ARE musicians is comical. Been going on slow for a long time now, and getting worse. People so confused why economy is getting worse and worse, blaming some handful of people that are making it like its a big conspiracy. Guess what, if you don't contribute, it will not get any better.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with the conspiracy stuff but I agree with the DJ part.
I don't think that this transition is going to cause music any harm, only the music industry - which means lawyers, marketers, and business-type people. The actual musicians were the lowest-paid part of the industry anyway.
I'm not condoning piracy, just saying that I don't think it's a problem that puts actual art in danger.
For what it's worth, I think it sucks that musicians need to hustle for a living making not so much money. Additionally - I would never pirate someone's self-produced work.
It would be great if we could all share everything for free. But until free sharing is across the board and applies to all products and services, Why should only certain industries like film, music and software manufacturers be disadvantaged?
That's BS!
Like it or not, I believe severe sharing and copyright restrictions will hit the internet.
Ah, the Internet and everything for free, while everyone still expects to get paid for doing THEIR job...
Going off slightly at a tangent... I have a small Electronics repair business. When folk phone me up to get what sounds to me like a complex, expensive and pain-in-the-ass problem on their Plasma TV repaired and say things like "Oh I looked it up on the Internet and apparently it's quite a common fault and should only cost a couple of quid to repair...", I tell them to just go get it fixed on the Internet then and hang up.
How do members feel about "bootleg" dvds of concerts of their favourite artists being put up for sale, bearing in mind that the concert recordings are not available officially? In this situation, the person is not just ripping off the artist's work and giving it away for free, but is actually making MONEY from it!!
So what do you do if you are a big fan and would really like to see the concert??
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