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RE: Scale length longer than ordered?
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Shawn Brock
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Joined: Sep. 19 2011
From: Louisville KY
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RE: Scale length longer than ordered? (in reply to Gimar Yestra)
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Boys, all I know is I play the guitar, not the numbers. I think that a 660 guitar that's set up well can and will play better than a 650 guitar with a bad setup. That don't mean that I'm committed to ordering one though... I think the big deal is the extra space on the first few frets, at least that's the big deal for most of us who do a decent amount of open playing... Apparently Anders can feel the difference just as I can. Call me a wuss if you like, but when I make an investment in an instrument, playability, volume and tone are my biggest considerations. If a person is just going to spend his life barring chords, give him a 690 scale and be done with it. He will adapt, or mess up his hands trying... We all should be open to adapting to different scale lengths, in the end it will only make you a better player, but that don't mean you should choose a scale length that your not comfortable with... After all of this time I'm still wondering why the hell we don't concentrate on the neck length and the number of frets, and not the scale length? I have played guitars which have a 54 MM nut, and though I could tell it, they were still quite playable because they were set up great. Someone said that they thought it was impossible for a person to tell the difference in a 650 and a 655 scale, and all I know is that I can. That don't mean that I can't play a 655, but I can tell a difference. Its funny to me that some people think that no one can tell the difference in 650 and 655, but lots of the same people say they can always tell the difference in the nut width. This leaves me shaking my head in wonder... How is it that you can feel 1 MM of difference at the nut and not an extra 5/10 MM spread out over the neck? Maybe its being blind that makes me this way... Not having to worry about looking at the frets and my fretting hand makes a difference. Not that any of you watch your left hand or anything... Or perhaps my preferences come from my experience playing the violin for quite a few years. When you have no frets, space relationships are quite important to your left hand. You develop muscle memory in your left hand and teach your fingers to land in certain spots. Playing the guitar is much the same way to me, so maybe its that... Also I play for hours each day, and maybe that just makes my left hand to familiar with the spaces between the frets? I don't know... Maybe I just don't like change... Though flamenco should be an evolving art form, maybe I'm on the path to becoming a purest, or an old man at 30 who is set in his ways... Or maybe I just don't know jack s**t about what I'm feeling on the fretboard, but after 22 years of playing, I don't think that's the case. Of course, I could always be wrong about that too. Either way I'm glad we can talk about this. I love reading the numbers and seeing how it all comes together and hearing the thoughts of others. Who knows a 660 guitar may be in my future after all... Gosh, my posts are always to damn long!
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Date Jan. 12 2012 3:34:06
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Scale length longer than ordered? (in reply to estebanana)
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Stephen, I know the numbers and I also know how much 2,5mm is spread over 5 frets. And I agree, Not much there. more or less 0,5mm a fret Some other meassures which are important is the difference when playing with a capo on the 5th fret like you do a lot when playing with singers. Some players note a huge difference between 650 and 660 scale when playing with capo on 5th fret. If you make a comparision of the distances betwen the frets from 5 to 10, you´ll see a scary difference of something like just under 1,5mm. (I havent looked it up this time, but its more or less that.) 1,5 mm over 5 frets is more or less 0,3mm a fret. Everyone now, take your caliper and meassure 0,3mm and look at it....
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Date Jan. 12 2012 7:36:19
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britguy
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From: Ontario, Canada
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RE: Scale length longer than ordered? (in reply to estebanana)
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What is your nut to 12th fret distance? 330 mm or 331mm? Or something else? This post seems to have genereated a lot more responses than I thought! But I think us 'players' are all learning something here. I know that I'm learning a lot! One being that string length and scale length are two different things. Never realized that! Now I have arrived back at my home in Canada (I took delivery of the guitar in Florida, USA, while on Xmas vacation) I can measure the dimensions with more accuracy than the primitive fabric tape measure I was using in Florida. The inside-nut face to the (estimated) centre of the 12th fret is exactly 331.5 mm, measured along the centre-line of the fingerboard. I also checked my previous 660mm Castillo (also granadillo) negra - built last April - and it meaures identical to this one - 331.5 to 12th fret. Just out of interest, my BRW Castillo negra - built December 2010; is a 650mm nominal scale length, and this one measures exactly 326mm from nut to 12th fret. I should add that my only purpose in measuring the guitar was to compare it with my other two Castillo's - which are different lengths, and nut widths. The guitar is playing very well right now, after about one week of quite hard use. And, like the other two, has that distinct Castillo sound. Very flamenco. . . (at least I think so - not that I claim any special expertise here, just an opinion). The really interesting thing is how different each of them feels and plays. I'm sure I could pick each one up while blindfolded and tell which one I'm playing? I can perhaps post a few pics if anybody's interested? Unfortunately I have no means of recording sound files.
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Date Jan. 12 2012 19:54:06
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