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mrodrigo24

 

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Can Anyone Help Me? 

So I'm new to this site and I'm really enjoying it.

I imagine this question is posted a lot, I don't really want to annoy anyone. I'm looking for a beginners solea piece that I can learn. I've had a couple of flamenco lessons and have been practicing my technique but I would like to put it into a song.

Thanks
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2010 21:52:30
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

There´s a nice, very basic and usefull Soleá in Paco Peñas book/CD I cant find it right now but I think its called toques flamencos

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 0:49:01
 
Ailsa

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

Hi Matt,

Yeah Anders is right, Paco Pen~a's Toques Flamencos is a useful start. Quite traditional and unpretentious stuff. It has tab, notation and comes with a CD so you know what it should sound like!

I would have thought most starter tuition books and DVDs should include a Soleá - it's such a fundamental palo. The only one I have is Juan Serrano's, but if you look at the contents list of any of them I'd be amazed if they didn't include one.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 2:08:04
 
Ricardo

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

quote:

ORIGINAL: mrodrigo24

So I'm new to this site and I'm really enjoying it.

I imagine this question is posted a lot, I don't really want to annoy anyone. I'm looking for a beginners solea piece that I can learn. I've had a couple of flamenco lessons and have been practicing my technique but I would like to put it into a song.

Thanks


We all know what you are after, it is a common inquiry, and many trying to help the best we can. What I can offer is as a beginner you should get it into your mind NOW at the early stage that you should be learning to IMPROVISE not learn a "piece" like you would in classical guitar. All you need is some parts of rhythm guitar (compas strumming) and a few short falsetas (short melodic sections or themes) to get started.

It is a common misconception that the grandiose maestro performance of solea is a structured "composition". They are in fact made of very small simple short pieces of music and rhythm that get strung together as the player feels (improvising to an extent).

So learning a "piece" where you feel you MUST go in order of A to Z and get "through it" before moving on to other things, is no good for beginners IMO. You are missing out on a big important concept of basic keeping a beat and improvising or doing your own "mix" or arrangement of little parts you have learned. THAT is what most flamenco guitar is, rather then a "classical guitar type graduating level pieces" concept that MANY new players fall into the trap of, and have to unlearn or relearn basic rhythmic concepts and such later.

Hope that helps. My advice is to go search for short FALSETAS that you think inspire you or might be within your grasp, rather then entire pieces. Good luck.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 4:31:43
 
yohan

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

Paco pena's solea is maybe a little bit too difficult for a beginner, you could try some juan martin stuff

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 5:06:50
 
mrodrigo24

 

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

Thank you for all the ideas!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 6:11:52
 
edguerin

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

You might want to try this
easy soleares falseta

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 8:27:25
 
srshea

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

I think this is probably the eight billionth time Ricardo has posted that advice, and what he says is absolutely true. A very good and very simple way to follow up on that would be to go to the “Classic falsetas por arriba” page on Norman Kilman’s site: Basic Solea Falsetas

Everything you need to put together a basic, beginner’s level solea “piece” is all there. All those falsetas are classic, standard stuff, and you’ll hear them, or variations on them, EVERYWHERE, particularly in older, classic accompaniment playing. Pick a handful of them that you like and that you feel confident you can master and then work on each one individually. Just focus on each falseta as a discrete, isolated unit, and don’t worry about putting them all together just yet.

Once you’ve learned five or six of the falsetas and can play them confidently, without referring to the tabs, and at the same tempo, then you can start putting them together. Norman’s provided some commentary that offers help regarding how they can be used and how they might work together. The best way to figure out how to put them together is to do a lot of close listening to good, classic stuff until you recognize similar falsetas and can hear for yourself how the “old masters” used them. Some of them work better than others when played back to back; some of them sound good as introductions; etc.

I sure aint no Old Master, myself, but here’s a recipe for a way to put some of this stuff together in a short, simple performance:

1
Falseta 5 makes for a good introduction. Playing it twice as your intro would work nicely. (This will be the case with many falsetas. Playing the same falseta twice in a row sets up a very simple form of the “question/answer” dynamic that runs throughout flamenco.)

2
Falseta 6 isn’t actually a falseta. It’s the standard compas strumming that will provide the “filler” between the falsetas. This is the basic rhythmic foundation for solea that keeps everything grounded and provides a base to play the falsetas against. For the purposes of this “recipe” this is what you’ll be playing between your falsetas. Play it once or twice.

3
Play Falseta 2 and Falseta 3 back to back.

4
Falseta 6 again, once or twice.

5
Falseta 1. I like to play this one twice in a row.

6
Falseta 6, yet again, once or twice.

7
Falseta 9. You could play it twice in a row or you could play Falseta 9 followed by Falseta 11.

8
Good ol’ Falseta 6, one last time.

9
Finish ‘er up with some kind of “outro”. This is actually the one ingredient that’s not included on Norman’s solea page. The simplest thing to do would be to play a kind of droning open E chord thing on beats one through ten. Play one index finger downstroke on each beat, accenting beats 3,6,8, and 10, letting the final stroke ring. You could jazz this up a bit by doing a hammer-on from fret two to three on the D string after each downstroke.

(Note: each falseta should end with a “remate” on the last three beats of each twelve beat measure or phrase. In some of the tabs and the recordings on Norman’s page the remate is not included. Those are the ones that just have an open E note at the end. It’s assumed that you’ll put a remate there in the last three beats. See “Remates 1-3” for the most basic ones.)

That’s it. You’re not gonna knock anyone out of their seat with that, but it’s a good place to start. From there you can keep adding to your repertoire of falsetas, adding variations on your compas strumming, adding different remates, and over time you’ll develop a better and better sense of how all those various pieces of the puzzle fit together. Good luck!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 11:41:43
 
gato

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

I would like to agree with Ricardo, only I would say this way, play THEMES, that you may have heard or take them out of formal pieces and transcriptions, and work with them. Keep them simple, and add what you will. After learning about flamenco rhythm and enough technique to get you started, this practice can get you far. You may make themes out of falsetas or just bits and pieces of larger works.

You see, what you put in to it makes it your's and that is what we all need. Having said that, you might as well, go out and buy some stave paper and pencils and a ruler, and work them out, and then transfer them to a good typesetting program and keep them.

You will find this process a life long obsession, and really it's what takes you to an independant level, while building on basic flamenco idea's. And themes are a starting place only, you write out the basic concepts and work from them. Getting ideas from others is a time honored way of sharing and continuing the common thread and and what you make can be taken in this way from others down the line, but careful study of the form and dynamics of the music gets you to the overall process of continuance of essential and tradiditional ideas and of course the work of departure. It's an essential process that you learn, and I reccomend it to everyone.
Gary
Oh yeah, a good transcription program can help, look on the internet for something and perhaps you can get it free. This way you can record the idea and slow it down and write out the notes. Very useful, I use mine a lot. You can even transcribe from cd's or sound files of parts taken from recorded work from the masters....It's a lot of work but it's also a major process of writing out things that you have played or heard. A standard discipline. Developing a good shorthand technique is also very helpful.

Learn to sketch out your ideas and keep them simple and remember that the passion and the art of the music is not necessarily what you have written down but what you are inspired to play!

EDIT: remember to consider and comform to all copyright laws and remember that the rights may or may not alow you to use music whole or in part with the consent of the owner, and that the owner may set the order of payment with consent of use and that damages may be imposed for use without proper consent and compensation. With consent and payment you are allowed to use said content by the implyed conditions of the owner, and that property is available for use and that copyright laws are made to protect the owner not to damn the arts. Learn the business aspect of using music which is the private property of others before you make mistakes, and remember that such use is to be made also in form of credit for the artist, when you base work on a theme, or musical peice in part or in whole.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2010 19:07:08
 
mrodrigo24

 

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

Thank you everyone for the advice
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 13 2010 7:34:00
 
mrodrigo24

 

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to srshea

Thank you!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 13 2010 7:35:27
 
Elie

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

I agree with all the guys specially Ricardo and yohan
start with Juan his material are easy and understandable if you don't have his solea pm me your email and I will send it to you
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 13 2010 7:40:43
 
gato

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

Read my edit on previous post if you are going to take my advice, which contains some legal reminders!

I am not responsible for your lack of knowlege in the business aspect of music in any way possible.
gary
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 14 2010 0:15:41
 
gato

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

You know, I've been thinking about it, if you play in the manner of someone else you may have to get prior consent, pay a fee or percentage of your earnings, and follow the conditions of the property owner, and what that means is if you don't have your own specific style and technique it may not be worth all the effort to learn to play like someone who is in business and may own copyrights pertaining to his individual style, and what that means is that it may be provable in court of law and damages claims may result.

So if you immerse in to a particular artist's technique and style and it is provable that you have in deed taken it out of copyrighted material, you could owe big, if you are indeed persueing your music professionally.

So the idea is that you really have to consider his rights or the rights of the content owner before you go out and try to make a name for yourself. So the question is basically this, why wouldn't you invent your own style and handling unless you take care of business aspect, and this gets in to tricky situations if you record, teach or perform in the manner of someone else without doing all of the work to secure the rights to it?

I don't know, but it is a really important thing to consider if you go out and perform and sell your work and especially on the Internet! The thought makes me sick. You may say 'I play like I do', but do you? And then the one thing that you have to pay attention to is what you are bombarding yourself with by collecting albums and transpositions or scores form your idols. Is it plausable? Do you care to know? I am quite sure that there are a lot of performers out there who are angry at the loss of their technique to others and would jump at the chance to protect it. That's why I don't want to play like anyone else, and I try desperately to keep it that way. Life is hard enough than to keep track of it all.
Gary
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 26 2010 20:00:58
 
Pablito

 

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

quote:

ORIGINAL: mrodrigo24

So I'm new to this site and I'm really enjoying it.

I imagine this question is posted a lot, I don't really want to annoy anyone. I'm looking for a beginners solea piece that I can learn. I've had a couple of flamenco lessons and have been practicing my technique but I would like to put it into a song.

Thanks



Hey I'm new to this site too, and I love it so far! Finally there actually are other people that love flamenco AND speak english! amazing... Anyways check out newlearningvision.com for Adam Del Monte's solea for beginner. it's like 18 bucks and is simple but traditional and still has the feel. Hope this helps!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 26 2010 20:22:58
 
gj Michelob

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RE: Can Anyone Help Me? (in reply to mrodrigo24

quote:

I'm looking for a beginners solea piece that I can learn. I've had a couple of flamenco lessons and have been practicing my technique but I would like to put it into a song.


Welcome MRodrigo,

'not sure what your level might be. Are you At or Beyond this basic....


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