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legrec
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 RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (in reply to Guest)
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Hey, there are absolutely no offence in any way in what Romerito said IMO. Like me, and you, he's expressing his opinions. And you came here first with a rather "unbalanced" opinion about Faucher. So, let's talk...not fight.. 
i'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, just that you're exagerating, IMO there is a huge margin between not being accurate at 100% and saying it's not good and accurate transcriptions, don't you think so ?
For 98% of folks, Faucher's transcriptions will be good and accurates.
And as Romerito told, flamenco is not a 100% perfect reproduction thing...You know this very well, as you've just given to the foro YOUR transcription of La Ardilla and in the last post you made to Doitsujin, you said :
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there is no original in flamenco, only versions of some falseta..
original is thought only..
also what he recorded isnt original but the variation in that particular moment..thats one of things why flamenco is so rich, you 'only' have to know how to make variations ,and not to go from thought that defines the falseta.
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Date Feb. 19 2007 0:54:21
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branquito
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RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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For 98% of folks, Faucher's transcriptions will be good and accurates.
And as Romerito told, flamenco is not a 100% perfect reproduction thing...You know this very well, as you've just given to the foro YOUR transcription of La Ardilla and in the last post you made to Doitsujin, you said : bla bla...
Yes, then i was speaking of flamenco, playing, etz..now we are speaking about accuracy, thats different..
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Branquito, you say that it is no big deal writing down a transcription of a piece by a player like Nunez if he plays it for you slowly.
Well if you have perfect pitch and total recall then no it's no big deal.
DO YOU?
Does that mean that if you watch a DVD of a pro playing stuff at half speed you can instantly play it all from memory straight after in perfect time.
why would you instantly play it, it is about writing down not interpreting the piece..
for your first question, for me it does not have to be slowed down, i can write down transcription from real speed, if you have any doubts send some falseta you would want transcribed, i will do it for you..it can be any, even from 'Cositas Buenas' if you want, but something that is played in one guitar so you can try it easily..
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Date Feb. 19 2007 1:09:24
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legrec
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RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (in reply to branquito)
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Yes, then i was speaking of flamenco, playing, etz..now we are speaking about accuracy, thats different..
Man, you were just answering to Doitsujin because he expressed your transcription wasn't "perfectly" accurate ("You was very close"). Sorry, it seemed a lot to me that you were also speaking of accuracy...
To come back to the point, you're not convincing me that Faucher is a bad and ignorant transcriber by just saying he's bad and ignorant, and that you have "100% accurate" transcriptions, and that the maestros are sending him slow vids of all their palos...
For sure you can find very few "more accurate" transcriptions with accidental notes and everything but, with all my respect :
1- This is not meaning AT ALL Faucher is totally unable and ignorant
2- 100% accurate is impossible because it's too complex and human-related. It can only be "a personal opinion", but you've said "I've got 100% accurate transcriptions". Very strange to me.
3- Faucher's transcriptions, like Worm's are broadly diffused, and respected. Hundreds of players uses them. If there were major issues, I would have heard of it several times since i'm into flamenco (and my ears, even probably less trained than yours, are confirming it's really good and correct, overall)
4- It's not the main point of flamenco's transcriptions IMO. Personally, i don't want to give one cent for having the accidental notes written on my tabs...
One great pleasure of flamenco, as you know it, it's liberty to change and some sort of "rebellion" and disorder, into the order (the compas).
I would be badly ****ed up if flamenco became like classical, with everyone crazy about the "perfect transcription", the "perfect tone", the "perfect reproduction", etc..
Yes, it's fun to see ghost and accidental notes. But it's nitty picking that I personnaly reserve for classical music and all their "we're accurate" stuff.
In the end, Moraito don't know how to read notes, but he's MORAITO...so i guess we could say Faucher transcriptions are far good enought to be published and diffused...
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Date Feb. 19 2007 1:46:33
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branquito
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RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (in reply to legrec)
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For sure you can find very few "more accurate" transcriptions with accidental notes and everything but, with all my respect :
well it is not very few, but whole newer albums of paco de lucia were transcribed already..like sirroco, zyryab etc..
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100% accurate is impossible because it's too complex and human-related. It can only be "a personal opinion", but you've said "I've got 100% accurate transcriptions". Very strange to me.
well we are not physicians, so you should know what 100% means here..
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It's not the main point of flamenco's transcriptions IMO. Personally, i don't want to give one cent for having the accidental notes written on my tabs...
of course it is not the main point later, but it is VERY important when learning..
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and you have a very serious problem about differentiating two things..
one thing is transcribing accurately and other is 'what is flamenco' and 'how to play it'..
so, when someone publish compositions of paco de lucia or gerardo nunez they should be accurate, and speaking of 'La ardila' i didn't publish it, just put it for people to play one version of it, and i am not taking money for it, thats big difference..
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Date Feb. 19 2007 2:10:30
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legrec
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RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (in reply to branquito)
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Alain Faucher is "not able to do good and accurate" transcriptions ?
He made "tabs only" pieces, so his knowledge is questionable ?
The maestros are making "slow" vids for him, to help the poor boy making the transcriptions ?
And that's not "extra work" for them ?
You have 100 percent accurate transcriptions ?
You were not talking about accuracy with Doitsujin ?
"Sirroco, Zyryab,..." is not "just a few tabs" in flamenco tabs' world ?
100% is not 100% ?
Accidental, ghost notes, positions,etc are VERY important in flamenco learning ?
Nit picking on tabs accuracy have nothing to do with "flamenco spirit" and how to play flamenco ?
You play 90% of a whole DVD complete by memory in perfect time just after one listening?
Come'on man. I don't know where you're going, but with all respect due, I'm taking the other path... 
(and just a little remark : in another thread you asked several times to fix up the GP5 download problem. Perhaps you don't know that Simon and Ron, the administrators, are managing foroflamenco on their own time and money. So, you've said "Thanks", but it looked a lot like a guy calling the waiter...I think it's not quite the idea, IMHO)
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Date Feb. 19 2007 3:26:29
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I think I remember Ricardo said one time that Gerardo Nunez was not really pleased with the transcription of his work, but as far as I can see, the book is really "honest" and not so bad..