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Paleto -> New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Jan. 22 2007 19:53:50)

Hey guys, I just thought I would post this for those who might not have got Faucher's recent email. Sounds like he has some new tabs to make available soon.

-Anthony



An important information: AFFEDIS changes of email address for: affedis@club-internet.fr

The novelties for 2007 will be announced within one month; you will be proposed 14 new tablatures plus another new book.

Meanwhile, do not forget our last publication, Enrique de Melchor "Herencia gitana" which contains a selection of his best works, such as the fandango de Huelva Marismas, the guajira Cafetal, or the colombiana Zaralmondi (with cd included). It is already visible on the website, and the audio sample will soon be set up on the Books page. Enrique de Melchor is definitely one of the greatest flamenco guitarists to day.

Have a Happy New Year
Alain Faucher



RudyG -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 1 2007 6:25:19)

I hope the book is for Vicente Amigo tabs. I mean how much longer do we have to wait? :(

Rudy



hassurbanipal -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 1 2007 7:05:51)

https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/shop.php?&vshopferca=546f847945d9dae4137bf463d3180022&op_shop=show&id_prod=4277&id_cat=128

you don't have to wait so long......[:)]



RudyG -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 1 2007 16:42:08)

Thanks. I actually found out about this book just yesterday. It looks like it covers the first album only. I would love to have the other albums as well. BTW have you or anyone else used this book? Are the transcription correct?

Thanks
Rudy



hassurbanipal -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 2 2007 8:09:18)

no, I've not yet seen the book so I don't know how accurate the transcriptions are but I think faucjer has a good reputation so......

and if you want, on the internet there are a lot of tabs available, even of the latest albums of vicente....not always so correct but you get the idea

greetings



RudyG -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 2 2007 20:16:24)

Yeah. I'm painfully aware of that. :) I downloaded one such tab for Callejon... Have been memorizing it and working through it. Got about 70% done only to realize that it had a whole lot of mistakes. :(
So now I'm going to have to unlearn all of that. Not so great. That's why I was hoping to find a book. Even though they appear to be quite expensive. This one is going to be around $60 in US funds and that's without the shipping. :O

Thanks.
Rudy



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 18 2007 23:45:34)

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Thanks. I actually found out about this book just yesterday. It looks like it covers the first album only. I would love to have the other albums as well. BTW have you or anyone else used this book? Are the transcription correct?


look, that man faucher is not able to do good and accurate transcription because i have had some of his earlier works while he was on his own and that was very bad..
but now i suppose they show him what they are playing and he is only there to write it down, even that may be doing someone else, because all of his tabs were in tablature, not standard notation, so that puts some questionmarks on his knowledge..anyway recent books are ok of course because paco de lucia wouldn't let someone to do bad job on transcribing his work..as i sad they are showing him or someone how they play it therefore its ok now..



legrec -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:00:52)

Man, I've really never saw a Faucher transcription wich i could called "very bad" !!! And I have also some of his "old" stuff...But i've seen a bunch of "good and accurate" transcriptions from him... [8|] I think I remember Ricardo said one time that Gerardo Nunez was not really pleased with the transcription of his work, but as far as I can see, the book is really "honest" and not so bad..

And do you really think the "maestros" are spending so much time working with him on all the transcriptions he's making ? I think they might just check if it looks correct for them, but I don't know if they really work with him ?
Do you have a clear info on this, or is it just an hypotesis ? (nothing wrong with that, i always make hypotesis [:D])

And I know that the guy is perfectly able to write scores (I don't know him personally, but a friend of him). I think he made "tab only" transcriptions because there's not so much flamenco players at ease with standard notation...

Cheers



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:13:44)

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Do you have a clear info on this, or is it just an hypotesis ? (nothing wrong with that, i always make hypotesis )


it's not an hypotesis, those are facts..
apart from being able to here the difference, i also had some accurate versions of same pieces the same time he was writing that stuff so it is very true what i am saying..
speaking of maestros, thats not some extra extra work, they could record on video for him or someone else, slow interpretation of those falsetas and then it is very easy to pull them of and write them down..

saludos



legrec -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:22:31)

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they could record on video for him or someone else, slow interpretation of those falsetas

This sounds indeed like "extra work", que no ?

If you say that you've got some proofs, i'm ok.
I'm perhaps not enought advanced to hear such subtilities.
But please, I'm sure you've exagerate a little saying "faucher is not able to do good and accurate transcription" and all the rest ?
Faucher is probably one of the best transcribers around, and there are plenty of material to proves it... It's my opinion, until someone proves me that someone else is making "his" trancriptions, or that the maestros are writting the tabs for him...



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:36:00)

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Faucher is probably one of the best transcribers around, and there are plenty of material to proves it... It's my opinion, until someone proves me that someone else is making "his" trancriptions, or that the maestros are writting the tabs for him...


No, he is not, because i have transcriptions that are faraway better written and 100 percent accurate (even ghost notes are written down, or accidental notes while playing, also including variations from different performances, all in same sheet), with positions and everything..I never speak about something that i am not sure of.

saludos



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branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:47:05)

well you know everything..
i am without any comment

saludo



guitarbuddha -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:52:16)

Branquito, you say that it is no big deal writing down a transcription of a piece by a player like Nunez if he plays it for you slowly.

Well if you have perfect pitch and total recall then no it's no big deal.

DO YOU?

Does that mean that if you watch a DVD of a pro playing stuff at half speed you can instantly play it all from memory straight after in perfect time.

No wonder you can afford to sneer at Faucher.[:D]



legrec -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 0:54:21)

Hey, there are absolutely no offence in any way in what Romerito said IMO. Like me, and you, he's expressing his opinions. And you came here first with a rather "unbalanced" opinion about Faucher. So, let's talk...not fight..[:D]

i'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, just that you're exagerating, IMO there is a huge margin between not being accurate at 100% and saying it's not good and accurate transcriptions, don't you think so ?

For 98% of folks, Faucher's transcriptions will be good and accurates.
And as Romerito told, flamenco is not a 100% perfect reproduction thing...You know this very well, as you've just given to the foro YOUR transcription of La Ardilla and in the last post you made to Doitsujin, you said :
quote:


there is no original in flamenco, only versions of some falseta..
original is thought only..
also what he recorded isnt original but the variation in that particular moment..thats one of things why flamenco is so rich, you 'only' have to know how to make variations ,and not to go from thought that defines the falseta.



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 1:09:24)

For 98% of folks, Faucher's transcriptions will be good and accurates.
And as Romerito told, flamenco is not a 100% perfect reproduction thing...You know this very well, as you've just given to the foro YOUR transcription of La Ardilla and in the last post you made to Doitsujin, you said : bla bla...

Yes, then i was speaking of flamenco, playing, etz..now we are speaking about accuracy, thats different..

for guitarbuddha::
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quote:

Branquito, you say that it is no big deal writing down a transcription of a piece by a player like Nunez if he plays it for you slowly.

Well if you have perfect pitch and total recall then no it's no big deal.

DO YOU?

Does that mean that if you watch a DVD of a pro playing stuff at half speed you can instantly play it all from memory straight after in perfect time.


why would you instantly play it, it is about writing down not interpreting the piece..
for your first question, for me it does not have to be slowed down, i can write down transcription from real speed, if you have any doubts send some falseta you would want transcribed, i will do it for you..it can be any, even from 'Cositas Buenas' if you want, but something that is played in one guitar so you can try it easily..

saludo



legrec -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 1:46:33)

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Yes, then i was speaking of flamenco, playing, etz..now we are speaking about accuracy, thats different..


Man, you were just answering to Doitsujin because he expressed your transcription wasn't "perfectly" accurate ("You was very close"). Sorry, it seemed a lot to me that you were also speaking of accuracy...

To come back to the point, you're not convincing me that Faucher is a bad and ignorant transcriber by just saying he's bad and ignorant, and that you have "100% accurate" transcriptions, and that the maestros are sending him slow vids of all their palos...

For sure you can find very few "more accurate" transcriptions with accidental notes and everything but, with all my respect :

1- This is not meaning AT ALL Faucher is totally unable and ignorant
2- 100% accurate is impossible because it's too complex and human-related. It can only be "a personal opinion", but you've said "I've got 100% accurate transcriptions". Very strange to me.
3- Faucher's transcriptions, like Worm's are broadly diffused, and respected. Hundreds of players uses them. If there were major issues, I would have heard of it several times since i'm into flamenco (and my ears, even probably less trained than yours, are confirming it's really good and correct, overall)
4- It's not the main point of flamenco's transcriptions IMO. Personally, i don't want to give one cent for having the accidental notes written on my tabs...[:D]

One great pleasure of flamenco, as you know it, it's liberty to change and some sort of "rebellion" and disorder, into the order (the compas).
I would be badly ****ed up if flamenco became like classical, with everyone crazy about the "perfect transcription", the "perfect tone", the "perfect reproduction", etc..
Yes, it's fun to see ghost and accidental notes. But it's nitty picking that I personnaly reserve for classical music and all their "we're accurate" stuff.
In the end, Moraito don't know how to read notes, but he's MORAITO...so i guess we could say Faucher transcriptions are far good enought to be published and diffused...



guitarbuddha -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 1:56:55)

To write it down you have to interpret it.

That's what interpretation is to turn something from one language to another, or from ear to fingers or ear to sheet music.

To write them down from real speed means you have to have a perfect memory. Why not play them then, I can play everything I can remember.



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 2:10:30)

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For sure you can find very few "more accurate" transcriptions with accidental notes and everything but, with all my respect :


well it is not very few, but whole newer albums of paco de lucia were transcribed already..like sirroco, zyryab etc..
quote:

100% accurate is impossible because it's too complex and human-related. It can only be "a personal opinion", but you've said "I've got 100% accurate transcriptions". Very strange to me.

well we are not physicians, so you should know what 100% means here..
quote:

It's not the main point of flamenco's transcriptions IMO. Personally, i don't want to give one cent for having the accidental notes written on my tabs...

of course it is not the main point later, but it is VERY important when learning..
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and you have a very serious problem about differentiating two things..
one thing is transcribing accurately and other is 'what is flamenco' and 'how to play it'..
so, when someone publish compositions of paco de lucia or gerardo nunez they should be accurate, and speaking of 'La ardila' i didn't publish it, just put it for people to play one version of it, and i am not taking money for it, thats big difference..



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 2:16:42)

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To write them down from real speed means you have to have a perfect memory. Why not play them then, I can play everything I can remember.


no, you dont have to have a perfect memory, it is allowed to listen to it more than once, while you are writing down doesnt it? of course you play it part by part while you are transcribing..

saludo



guitarbuddha -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 2:19:07)

Wow thats starting to sound like a lot of work.

Maybe you will get my point soon ?



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 2:32:58)

quote:

Wow thats starting to sound like a lot of work.

Maybe you will get my point soon ?


No i want get your point nor i know what it is..
because in that case i wouldn't be able to catch it by ear all of those stuff..
also there is a big difference when you learn something by ear in comparison to reading same thing from notes..

as for your previos question ::
quote:

Does that mean that if you watch a DVD of a pro playing stuff at half speed you can instantly play it all from memory straight after in perfect time.


in 90 percents, yes i can, in terms of falsetas not whole composition..



guitarbuddha -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 2:45:24)

I can fly.



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 2:50:01)

quote:

I can fly.


it's good..
but it hurts when you touch the ground..of course if you fly too high, i don't know that, you know..



legrec -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 3:26:29)

Alain Faucher is "not able to do good and accurate" transcriptions ?
He made "tabs only" pieces, so his knowledge is questionable ?
The maestros are making "slow" vids for him, to help the poor boy making the transcriptions ?
And that's not "extra work" for them ?
You have 100 percent accurate transcriptions ?
You were not talking about accuracy with Doitsujin ?
"Sirroco, Zyryab,..." is not "just a few tabs" in flamenco tabs' world ?
100% is not 100% ?
Accidental, ghost notes, positions,etc are VERY important in flamenco learning ?
Nit picking on tabs accuracy have nothing to do with "flamenco spirit" and how to play flamenco ?
You play 90% of a whole DVD complete by memory in perfect time just after one listening?

Come'on man. I don't know where you're going, but with all respect due, I'm taking the other path...[:-]

(and just a little remark : in another thread you asked several times to fix up the GP5 download problem. Perhaps you don't know that Simon and Ron, the administrators, are managing foroflamenco on their own time and money. So, you've said "Thanks", but it looked a lot like a guy calling the waiter...I think it's not quite the idea, IMHO)



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 3:44:21)

well legrec, you are making quite good conversation with yourself..
where does that lead you..


saludo



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 4:09:34)

quote:

(and just a little remark : in another thread you asked several times to fix up the GP5 download problem. Perhaps you don't know that Simon and Ron, the administrators, are managing foroflamenco on their own time and money. So, you've said "Thanks", but it looked a lot like a guy calling the waiter...I think it's not quite the idea, IMHO)


i must say i am impressed of how you know my thread history..



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 4:14:48)

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So, you've said "Thanks", but it looked a lot like a guy calling the waiter...I think it's not quite the idea, IMHO


..and you are able to transcribe my words too..what an ear..



branquito -> RE: New Faucher Tabs coming soon (Feb. 19 2007 4:20:24)

now i know why you are having such attitude..
faucher and worms are from france..[:D]



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